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Reply #38 - 10/04/07 at 20:19:57
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I'll second Fischer's resurrection of the exchange spanish.

The Yugoslav attack against the Dragon was also a good invention (by Rauzer I think?). Similar concepts (neutralising the Black light-squared Bishop) have been also developed in other openings (e.g. English Attack in the Najdorf, Short Attack in the Caro-Kann Advance, etc.).
  
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Reply #37 - 10/04/07 at 18:35:37
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Markovich wrote on 10/04/07 at 18:23:43:


I can't cite anything authoritative, but I did think it was Lasker who first played this; or played it much, anyway.


I got it! Lasker was the 1st one to play the 5...e5. against Schlechter. Then Pelikan employed in the 50's. Sveshnikov & Timoshchenko developed it further in 1970. His innovation being 8...b5. Also known as the Chelyabinsk.

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Reply #36 - 10/04/07 at 18:23:43
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woofwoof wrote on 10/04/07 at 14:33:09:
Markovich wrote on 10/04/07 at 14:21:29:
SniperOnG7 wrote on 10/03/07 at 21:46:51:
The Sveshnikov Sicilian deserves the place. He virutally alone made the whole opening not only playable but very dangerous and dynamic. 

Also, the KID. More specifically, the classic KID E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Aronin-Taimanov, 9.Ne1 mainline, which came to life as a result of Taimanov vs Najdorf Zurich 1953 (0-1).


Actually I think the Boleslavsky Sicilian is a more revolutionary idea.  But in any case, it was Lasker, wasn't it, who deserves the credit for dreaming up the system today named for Sveshnikov?  I don't dispute that the latter deserves to have it named after him.


Lasker??  All this while I thought the svesh was something arising from the Pelikan sicilian. Or was it the case that it was Lasker's idea & then popularised by Pelikan & then came the sveshnikovs & Kalashnikovs. Please correct me if im wrong.


I can't cite anything authoritative, but I did think it was Lasker who first played this; or played it much, anyway.
  
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Reply #35 - 10/04/07 at 14:33:09
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Markovich wrote on 10/04/07 at 14:21:29:
SniperOnG7 wrote on 10/03/07 at 21:46:51:
The Sveshnikov Sicilian deserves the place. He virutally alone made the whole opening not only playable but very dangerous and dynamic. 

Also, the KID. More specifically, the classic KID E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Aronin-Taimanov, 9.Ne1 mainline, which came to life as a result of Taimanov vs Najdorf Zurich 1953 (0-1).


Actually I think the Boleslavsky Sicilian is a more revolutionary idea.  But in any case, it was Lasker, wasn't it, who deserves the credit for dreaming up the system today named for Sveshnikov?  I don't dispute that the latter deserves to have it named after him.


Lasker??  All this while I thought the svesh was something arising from the Pelikan sicilian. Or was it the case that it was Lasker's idea & then popularised by Pelikan & then came the sveshnikovs & Kalashnikovs. Please correct me if im wrong.
  
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Reply #34 - 10/04/07 at 14:21:29
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SniperOnG7 wrote on 10/03/07 at 21:46:51:
The Sveshnikov Sicilian deserves the place. He virutally alone made the whole opening not only playable but very dangerous and dynamic. 

Also, the KID. More specifically, the classic KID E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Aronin-Taimanov, 9.Ne1 mainline, which came to life as a result of Taimanov vs Najdorf Zurich 1953 (0-1).


Actually I think the Boleslavsky Sicilian is a more revolutionary idea.  But in any case, it was Lasker, wasn't it, who deserves the credit for dreaming up the system today named for Sveshnikov?  I don't dispute that the latter deserves to have it named after him.

  
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Reply #33 - 10/04/07 at 14:05:10
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And my vote goes to the Prié Attack !
  
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Reply #32 - 10/04/07 at 14:01:56
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Greatest opening idea was Seirawan v Austrian attack fe ng5 bxd4 !!
  
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Reply #31 - 10/04/07 at 13:32:11
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i think that the Queen's Indian 4. g3 Ba6 5. Qc2 c5 6. d5 pawn sacrifice is the greatest opening idea over the past few years...its a completely new concept on move 6, and if it works then we can say 4... Ba6 is a dubious waste of time!
  
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Reply #30 - 10/04/07 at 12:01:19
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The right to push a pawn by two squares from its starting position is certainly one of the greatest opening ideas ! By the way, i have a question : if taking "en passant" acknowledges the fact that the pawn was "en prise" in its intermediate position, how come it is not allowed to take pawns "en passant" with pieces ?

Also the Zilbermints Encyclopedia of Openings, including the Zilbermints Spanish, Zilbermints Sicilian, Zilbermints Indian, Zilbermints Defence to the Zilbermints Accelerated Grob etc should not be dismissed.
  
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Reply #29 - 10/04/07 at 11:42:24
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Evans Gambit
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Reply #28 - 10/04/07 at 01:36:12
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The BDGers must be sleeping!!! I am surprised none of them has yet ventured the BDG as worthy of the honour of greatest opening idea.  Grin
  
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Reply #27 - 10/03/07 at 21:55:52
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SmyslovFan's list is excellent.  Surely, the idea of playing 3.Bb5 rather than 3.Bc4 deserves to be one of the greatest ever.

I would also mention Pillsbury's treatment of the QGD.   
  
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Reply #26 - 10/03/07 at 21:46:51
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The Sveshnikov Sicilian deserves the place. He virutally alone made the whole opening not only playable but very dangerous and dynamic. 

Also, the KID. More specifically, the classic KID E98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Aronin-Taimanov, 9.Ne1 mainline, which came to life as a result of Taimanov vs Najdorf Zurich 1953 (0-1).
  
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Reply #25 - 10/03/07 at 21:13:25
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Willempie wrote on 10/03/07 at 13:20:09:

You're prolly right, but he was the first to really take the defense to a gambit to a new level. He faced and beat the likes of Chigorin, Blackburn and Steinitz (and numerous others) with all their gambits and tricky lines.

Lasker beat Tsjigorin twice, the latter playing the Evans, but not by returning the pawn .... Blackburne never played any gambit against Lasker at all. Remain two games against an aged Steinitz in an obscure line of the Greco.
I maintain that Lasker did not take the defence to a gambit to a new level, but just wrote down what all top players already knew. That is of course a virtue in itself.
  
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Reply #24 - 10/03/07 at 15:48:47
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[quote author=Q link=1191311136/15#21 date=1191416534]Yakov Murey 's 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 Nc6!? was a shocking new idea although it wasn't really an improvement over the existing theory.[/quote]

Murey has made a huge contribution to opening theory, both in his analysis of mainline positions and in his creation of entirely new systems. Only recently, he thought up 1. e4 c5 ; 2. Ktf3 Ktf6 ; 3. e5 (3. Ktc3 e6 ; 4. d4 d5 is another of his ideas) Ktd5 ; 4. Ktc3 Ktxc3 ; 5. dc Ktc6 ; 6. Bc4 Qc7 ; 7. Bf4 Ktd8 and 1. e4 c5 ; 2. Ktf3 Ktc6 ; 3. d4 cd ; 4. Ktxd4 Rb8. Maybe not very good examples since neither line is really sound, but an illustration of his fertile mind nontheless.
Some of Bronstein's and Korchnoï's victories owe much to his analysis.
  
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