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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #83 - 05/20/08 at 08:18:51
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/19/08 at 12:08:49:
One hates to sound like Keene, but surely the greatest opening idea was the Reti, the Nimzo, hypermodernism in general. The rest is detail.

Well imo that misses out a bit on the "school" which followed after WW2 with ie Bronstein and Boleslavsky focusing on dynamism. Ie their handling of the KID and sicilian, but also a chappy like Najdorf.
  

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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #82 - 05/19/08 at 19:09:22
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/19/08 at 12:08:49:
One hates to sound like Keene, but surely the greatest opening idea was the Reti, the Nimzo, hypermodernism in general. The rest is detail.


From Olympian perspective, that is no doubt correct.  Still, there is something to be said for ideas such as Capt. Evans' 4.b4.
  

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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #81 - 05/19/08 at 18:31:39
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I understand what you mean John.  My own twopenneth regarding specific opening variations is along similar lines.

Whenever I think of 'great' opening ideas, I think of Piket-Kasparov, Tilburg 1989 and the move ...Bf8, which was a novelty in it's own right and introduced a whole new way of playing the position.

  

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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #80 - 05/19/08 at 12:08:49
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One hates to sound like Keene, but surely the greatest opening idea was the Reti, the Nimzo, hypermodernism in general. The rest is detail.
  
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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #79 - 05/19/08 at 09:11:28
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I would nominate the Sveshnikov Sicilian as the best ever invention, since Sveshnikov and Timoshenko alone brought the line from being a rubbish opening to being a very respectable opening and one of Black's main defences to 1.e4 - in fact, in 2003 the Sveshnikov was probably the most commonly played defence to 1.e4, at least at GM level.

Topalov's 12.Nf7 against Kramnik in Wijk Aan Zee 2008 was also a great idea, although I suspect that eventually Black players will find some way to beat back the attack using rigorous computer analysis.

I think the view that 1.d4 is just as strong as 1.e4 is perhaps the greatest opening idea of all, however - it was not until the 1890's or so that the top players realised that 1.d4 is no weaker than 1.e4, and without this discovery, nobody would have discovered hypermodern openings such as the Pirc and Alekhine, or at least not resuscitated it, and chess strategy would not have developed anywhere near as much.
  

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Reply #78 - 05/19/08 at 07:48:47
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Now that the book is (finally) off to the printers, I'd like to use this thread to give profuse thanks to the whole Chesspublishing.com forum community for all their valuable input. 

Cheers everyone!
  

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Reply #77 - 10/10/07 at 22:59:57
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Congrats, Christoph!!
  
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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #76 - 10/10/07 at 12:28:40
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Antillian wrote on 10/06/07 at 12:06:41:
I am seeing this book on Amazon.com. But it shows a different author: Christoph Scheerer 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1857445619/ref=wl_it_dp/105-6813421-2286036?ie=...


The author is the same - I've gotten married and took my wife's name Smiley
  

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Reply #75 - 10/09/07 at 19:35:20
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Willempie, 

Tal may have won a couple of games in the Caro in 1961, but he won despite being beaten in opening preparation.  When he finally returned to 1.e4 and faced the Caro again, he played a different system.  Botvinnik clearly had his number in the Caro in 1961.

There's an interesting bit of symmetry in their lifetime scores against each other.  They each won 12 and drew 24 games.  (That's accoding to the stats I gathered in the Chess Stars publications, not chessbase.)
  
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Reply #74 - 10/09/07 at 12:44:26
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Thingy them...
  
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Reply #73 - 10/09/07 at 11:48:18
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/09/07 at 02:53:34:

BTW, Speelman also mentions that Kasparov was probably the first to utilise computers extensively in analysing openings.  If we can figure out which was first (and again, I think it was probably the Seville Variation based on both Kasparov's and Karpov's notes to the opening), then that would rank as this generation's greatest opening innovation.


I hate that damned variation. To me it looks like the opposite of chess. But yes, that's certainly a major contender, and possibly historically important for the reason you mention.  But what about the Rb1 Gruenfeld Exchange and oh, the Anti-Moscow Gambit. Not so long ago, 6.Bh4 was considered dubious. Oh, and what about the "Latvian Bayonet," which Watson attributes to Shabalov?

Edit: Good grief! Must every last "damn" be papered over here with "darn?" Sorry if anyone's eyes would be scalded out by a perfectly acceptable English word!   

Damn, damn, DAMN, DAAAAAMMMMMMNNNN!!!!

Why does Hell survive here and damnation perish?  But I sincerely wish that the authors of this editiorial practice be damned to Hell.
  

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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #72 - 10/09/07 at 08:56:53
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woofwoof wrote on 10/09/07 at 01:40:12:
Ok. i'll rephrase - Tal had a disastrous time playing against the CK in the WCh against Botvinnik in 61.

I am not sure I agree. Tal beat Botters twice in the CK in the first half. I think the 10th game was crucial for the whole match in which it seems to me Tal overpressed in an urge to close the gap after that the match was over. Incidentally an excellent game by Botwinnik.
  

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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #71 - 10/09/07 at 02:53:34
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I'm going to make a bid for a really obscure game for a really good reason.

The game is Speelman-Short, London 1988 (match game 3).  The opening was a QGD:  1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bf4 0-0 6.e3 c5 7.dc5 Nc6 8.Qc2 Bc5 9.a3 Qa5 10.0-0-0!?

This move helped Speelman to win an important match, but that's not why I'm nominating it.

Speelman found a theoretical bombshell (his words) that had just been played by Mikhail Gurevich against Andrei Sokolov which had been published a day or so previously in Norway.

This marks probably the fastest transmission of an idea from one tournament in one country to another (up to that point).  The story is told by Speelman in his Best Games book.  

This presages today's age of instant information and as such deserves special mention.  

BTW, Speelman also mentions that Kasparov was probably the first to utilise computers extensively in analysing openings.  If we can figure out which was first (and again, I think it was probably the Seville Variation based on both Kasparov's and Karpov's notes to the opening), then that would rank as this generation's greatest opening innovation.
  
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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #70 - 10/09/07 at 02:42:00
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Fianchettoing Bishops is probably the "greatest opening idea" in the sense that it's a truly universal "idea", and not just a move in a particular position.

For openings, I would surely cast my vote for the Benko Gambit.  Black (!) sacrifices a pawn as early as move 3!!  And what is more, it's mostly for very long-range compensation, unlike just about every single other opening gambit that I can think of.  I know there are plenty of positional pawn sacrifices that have become part of opening theory, but these aren't really opening gambits.
  
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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #69 - 10/09/07 at 01:40:12
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Markovich wrote on 10/08/07 at 19:43:50:
woofwoof wrote on 10/08/07 at 18:41:10:
Willempie wrote on 10/08/07 at 17:47:30:
Tal's play against the Caro should deserve a mention in any case...


Err....didnt Tal have a miserable time against it?? It was due to his inability to play against the CK which ultimately killed him in 61??


What a striking idea, the embittered Tal cursing the Caro from his death bed.  Where did you get this?


Ok. i'll rephrase - Tal had a disastrous time playing against the CK in the WCh against Botvinnik in 61.
  

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