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Re: Greatest Opening Ideas
Reply #98 - 06/01/08 at 20:35:58
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thibdb13 wrote on 10/03/07 at 07:27:06:
JEH wrote on 10/02/07 at 18:10:34:
Some opening discoveries can open up whole new tracts of opening theory as they can turn an evaluation of main variation on its head. e.g. in the Pirc c5 Austrian, the now "well known" forced draw line, one probably baulked at by amatuers, really opened the door for this system.

Yes this one (Austrian attack with c5 but without the forced drawing line) is great  Cheesy


Back in 1979 in a league game I remember thinking that I know 8 fxe is meant to be losing for black but doesn't he have a perpetual - and lo and behold a few years later Seirawan won the novelty of the Informator for it Cheesy
  
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Reply #97 - 05/21/08 at 11:32:26
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I think the record for the most consecutive posts at the moment is JonathonB with 6 or 7 consecutive posts somewhere. But they were not just random ones - in each the author actually had something relevant to say.
  

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Reply #96 - 05/21/08 at 03:04:29
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Bonsai wrote on 05/20/08 at 20:52:32:
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  • 4...a6 in the Slav - surely that is a completely shocking concept! Primarily playing a semi-waiting move that otherwise primarily has some prophylactic effects for your b7 pawn seems crazy on move 4, but somehow nearly always seems to allow you to develop your queen's bishop without giving up the centre.


  • This came up in the early 1970s and Portisch simply crushed someone, I forget who, with 5.c5.  The line took a long time to recover.  I still think that that must be the best rejoinder.

    Three posts in a row, tsk!
      

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    Reply #95 - 05/21/08 at 02:28:55
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    Chevalier wrote on 05/19/08 at 09:11:28:
    I would nominate the Sveshnikov Sicilian as the best ever invention, since Sveshnikov and Timoshenko alone brought the line from being a rubbish opening to being a very respectable opening and one of Black's main defences to 1.e4 - in fact, in 2003 the Sveshnikov was probably the most commonly played defence to 1.e4, at least at GM level.


    I don't know that I agree with this particularly, since this line was played decades ago by Lasker, repeatedly.  Also Pilnik played it a good deal, didn't he?  I admit that only since the 1980s has its strength been really understood.
      

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    Reply #94 - 05/21/08 at 02:25:20
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    Bonsai wrote on 05/20/08 at 22:07:09:
    kylemeister wrote on 05/20/08 at 21:08:03:
    I don't think I've ever seen a KID book (going back about 35 years at least) that didn't mention 9. b4.  I wonder if you're thinking of (9...Nh5) 10. Re1.

    Back in the 90s when I played the KID, I essentially had three books:
    • "Königsindisch Pro & Contra" (GMs Vogt & Knaak, 1992)
    • "Königsindisch à la Kasaprow" (by IM Ivan Hausner, 1993)
    • "Kasparows Schacheröffnungen" (IM Otto Borik, 1992)

    Having briefly leafed through them again, I really think none of these three even mentions that a move such as 9.b4 exists, while sometimes even covering things like 9.a4. And funnily enough when I first ran into the move, I just thought that I was going to easily refute that nonsense over the board, because this move had to be a strategical disaster, after all it was such a dreadfully bad move that all these GMs and IMs hadn't even bothered to mention it...


    No, not at all.  As Willempie points out, it was discussed at some length by Pachman.  That was even in the 1960s.  Also I am fairly sure it was treated by Gufeld, though his work, two volumes in English, is in the part of my collection that is boxed away.
      

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    Reply #93 - 05/21/08 at 01:30:46
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    Amazing indeed. In front of me I have a book called Chess: Indian Systems, based on an MS by Ludek Pachman, edited by BH Wood. It's from around 1973 as it was published shortly after Pachman left Czechoslowakia. In those good old times it was still possible to write a book on the NID, QID, KID, GID and Benoni in slightly more than 300 pages. One of the main lines is the Classical KID with 9.b4. We read:

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    Taimanov's idea with this move is to retain the knight on KB3 (f3), in order to counter ...P-KB5 (f5) by N-KN5-K6 (Nf3-g5-e6).

    I am also pretty sure 9.b4 was investigated in the Dutch opening series based on Euwe (the typical blue cover series). Maybe Willempie and/or Micawber can verify?

    This book also mentions 7.Nf3 in the GID of course because of the original 1922 Grünfeld game. It gives Rubinstein-Alekhine 1924 as a direct equalizer. So on this point Bonsai's claim is justified.

    7...Qe8 in the Dutch Leningrad seems to be very recent indeed.
      

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    Reply #92 - 05/20/08 at 23:45:55
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    Amazing.  I was going to say that I can verify that at least not all German books omit 9. b4, because "Königsindisch bis Altindisch" from the 1980s has it.  But that was a translation from Russian ...

    It sort of reminds me, though, of the fact that the old classic Batsford book (Barden/Hartston/Keene) made no mention of 9. h4 in the main line of the Sämisch Panno.
      
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    Reply #91 - 05/20/08 at 22:07:09
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    kylemeister wrote on 05/20/08 at 21:08:03:
    I don't think I've ever seen a KID book (going back about 35 years at least) that didn't mention 9. b4.  I wonder if you're thinking of (9...Nh5) 10. Re1.

    Back in the 90s when I played the KID, I essentially had three books:
    • "Königsindisch Pro & Contra" (GMs Vogt & Knaak, 1992)
    • "Königsindisch à la Kasaprow" (by IM Ivan Hausner, 1993)
    • "Kasparows Schacheröffnungen" (IM Otto Borik, 1992)

    Having briefly leafed through them again, I really think none of these three even mentions that a move such as 9.b4 exists, while sometimes even covering things like 9.a4. And funnily enough when I first ran into the move, I just thought that I was going to easily refute that nonsense over the board, because this move had to be a strategical disaster, after all it was such a dreadfully bad move that all these GMs and IMs hadn't even bothered to mention it...
      
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    Reply #90 - 05/20/08 at 21:08:03
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    I don't think I've ever seen a KID book (going back about 35 years at least) that didn't mention 9. b4.  I wonder if you're thinking of (9...Nh5) 10. Re1.
      
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    Reply #89 - 05/20/08 at 20:52:32
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    In recent years one might want to mention
    • The Bayonet attack against the KID - when I look at old KID books b2-b4 isn't even mentioned as a possible move.
    • The realisation of the strength of 7.Nf3 (as opposed to Bc4+Ne2) for white in the exchange Grünfeld is surely also a great achievement. The same as for b2-b4. Was it Dearing who commented that in some older book that move is not even given in the section starting with "Other feeble tries are..."?
    • 4...a6 in the Slav - surely that is a completely shocking concept! Primarily playing a semi-waiting move that otherwise primarily has some prophylactic effects for your b7 pawn seems crazy on move 4, but somehow nearly always seems to allow you to develop your queen's bishop without giving up the centre.
    • 7...Qe8 in the Dutch Leningrad, the strategic idea is straightforward, but who would have thought that one can get away with preparing e7-e5 with such a queen move before even moving half the minor pieces and potentially exposing onself to Nc7 forks...
      
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    Reply #88 - 05/20/08 at 19:31:59
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    IMJohnCox wrote on 05/20/08 at 17:46:55:
    Willempie - yes, quite right. One could make a good case for the Boleslavsky, KID and so forth.

    Would we have had them without the hypermoderns, I wonder?

    Actually, I suspect Philidor had some pretty big contributions, and also Staunton.

    Morphy's 3...a6 in the Ruy was as influential as some of the suggestions here, I would have thought.

    Dont forget Ruy himself Wink
      

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    Reply #87 - 05/20/08 at 17:46:55
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    Willempie - yes, quite right. One could make a good case for the Boleslavsky, KID and so forth.

    Would we have had them without the hypermoderns, I wonder?

    Actually, I suspect Philidor had some pretty big contributions, and also Staunton.

    Morphy's 3...a6 in the Ruy was as influential as some of the suggestions here, I would have thought.
      
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    Reply #86 - 05/20/08 at 09:18:57
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    Yes I like that. Especially Short's idea to make the Bishop's diagonal (h7-b1) bare of targets and ultimately unimportant (this can be also seen in the English set-ups against the Sicilian where White tries to strip Black's Bc8 of any squares on the diagonal c8-h3).

    Sadly, in real life games one cannot really replicate these ideas as they have lost their surprise effect.. Still a brilliant idea  Roll Eyes
      

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    Reply #85 - 05/20/08 at 08:53:09
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    How about Nigel Short's slow plan in the Advance Caro? 1e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 Nf3 e6 5 Be2 etc. 

    Some of white's ideas are similar to the Advance French. The main new concept was that the bishop might be misplaced on f5.

    The idea was first seen in De Loughry - Bronstein Munich 1958. This may well be the game where Bronstein claimed that after the game his Irish opponent asked him the name of the opening.
      
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    Reply #84 - 05/20/08 at 08:31:27
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    Markovich wrote on 05/19/08 at 19:09:22:

    From Olympian perspective, that is no doubt correct.  Still, there is something to be said for ideas such as Capt. Evans' 4.b4.


    Completely agree! Isnt it amazing the chess world could have had the arrogance to dismiss some of the greates players ever playing Evans Gambit - Morphy, Chigorin, etc. It was an attempt to dismiss the romantic approach to chess and replace dynamism with dogmatism - which succeded for about 80 years!

    Now we see that even our silicon monsters Rybka, Fritz, Hiarcs et al running on the latest pentium processor can not refute the good ol´Evans gambit. Lets face it, these guys knew a thing or two about how to play chess. 
      
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