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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #5 - 10/26/07 at 13:08:12
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Scarblac wrote on 10/26/07 at 12:28:03:
I think the first thing to do is to start recording the time on the clocks with every move.

Then after a game in which you got into time trouble, you can go back to try to work out what caused it in that particular case, then you know what you need to improve.

Gathering data is the first step towards solving a problem Smiley


I seam to recall that this is not allowed any more.

Dont know the reason for changing the rule though...
  
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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #4 - 10/26/07 at 12:28:03
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I think the first thing to do is to start recording the time on the clocks with every move.

Then after a game in which you got into time trouble, you can go back to try to work out what caused it in that particular case, then you know what you need to improve.

Gathering data is the first step towards solving a problem Smiley
  
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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #3 - 10/26/07 at 07:17:14
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I like Kotov's method and try to make use of it: I have imaginary flags in my head at move 10, 20, 30, 40 and so on...
Based on a system of 2 hours for 40 moves, I try not to be over 30 minutes at move 10, 1 hour 20 at move 20, and 1 hour 40 at move 30.
This is of course a general schema. I also look at my opponent's time: if he has used "a lot" more time than I, I can allow to myself more freedom with my "flags" (for so far it is necessary).
There are also two moments in the game when I traditionnally use more time: 
1. in the opening (between move 5 and 10), to remember me the main idea's of the "tabiya" and to have a first idea of my plan.
2. when the "critical position" is reached to see if I can blow it and to have a definite plan

But this all is philosophy: you can do a wrong move very early in the game and the only things that still counts is to survive or to sell your skin at the highest possible price... And then time does not mind any more   
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #2 - 10/26/07 at 05:49:37
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One method i use is to first identify and keep in hand the safest continuation which cuts out (to greatest extent) the opponent's counterplay. Once i have identified the safe route, I will then look for something more ambitious if time permits. As it turns out, often the safest move I think of is the most flexible, and therefore "best" move in the position.

In the first place i also think one shouldn't be too obsessed about finding the "best" move objectively. If you can make the 2nd best move all the time excluding forced captures, you will probably already be playing at 2400 strength. Once you understand that perfection is impossible and being perfectionist is unrealistic, then you can start to find moves which give you the most practical chances.
  
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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #1 - 10/26/07 at 04:57:03
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I've had problems with time trouble but have improved quite much in this respect. You need time at critical postitions where your choices change the position clearly or when accurate calculation is needed. Try not to spend time on decisions that really doesn't change the position very much. I also play correspondence chess. Even after spending a few days looking at a purely strategic position it's often hard for me to evaluate the small differences in strength of candidate moves. Try to see if there are any major differences of the moves and just pick the one you think is best in a reasonable time and save time for critical positions.

I used to take a walk after virtually every move. Try to stay at the table. I usually try to evaluate purely strategic concepts during my opponents time and do variation calculations on my own.

GM Schüssler once said that one should never spend more than 15 minutes on one move.
  

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Time trouble!
10/25/07 at 20:02:53
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Hi guys, I'd like to start a topic which I can't find any threads on so far. The topic is of time-trouble, and its causes and cures. To define time-trouble, lets say 1 minute (or less) for every move left.

Time trouble affects me all the time. I have lost many points because of it, and despite my best efforts, my games consistently follow the same pattern - I spend a long time in the opening and early middlegame, so that I have typically used over half my time by move 20. This leaves less time to make the time control, and the typical results that brings. I would say I am in time trouble (as defined above) 90% of the time, against strong and weak players alike. To put it in perspective, I would say that for every half point I win/draw (when I am in a worse position) due to my opponents time time trouble, I lose about 10 when winning/drawing (and my opponent escapes).

Basically, I am heaping a whole load of pressure on myself. I have tried to get out of this habit too. I have started a game specifically trying to stay equal/up on time from the first move, but pretty much the same thing happens every game, even when I consciously make an effort to stop it.  Sad

I like to concentrate on the position and play strong moves (I am 2212 FIDE) and follow a plan. I don't believe in playing simple planless moves just for the sake of it. This is because to beat your opponent at some point it is necessary to think hard and delve into the depths of the position at some stage. I know my openings well and play them consistently, so I am getting familiar positions all the time, so that is not that cause, even if I do spend longer on the opening than necessary sometimes.

I am unsure at what point my time trouble is caused by genuinely thinking about the position in great detail, and where it is just caused by indecision. There seems to be a crossover point between the two, which I regularly overstep.  Huh

Very few books have approached this subject, and those that do usually amount to that follow line of advice 'Dont get into time trouble in the first place' and leave it at that. If only it was that easy.... Undecided

Of course, this will affect player to player, and requires a certain amount of self-evaluation. Or maybe time trouble is not something that can actually be cured, in which case do you just have to accept it as just part of the player you are?

I am not expecting to find a simple solution to my problems, as I'd imagine the answer lies in something that works for each individual. Its like choosing your openings, you need to get it sorted in your head first, rather than following some generic rule that works for everyone.

Having considered all of the above I would like to hear the opinion and experiences of other that have this problem now, and in particular from those that have suffered from it, but have found a way of ridding themselves of it. Any thoughts?
  
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