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Reply #20 - 10/30/07 at 16:41:55
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My problem is a highly unusual one. I am extremely impatient, and generally only use about 20-30 minutes for a game that is 3 hours each... (total after 40 move mark). What ends up happening is that I get an advantage then blunder because I move too quickly... I have tried everything to slow down, I already walk around the hall between moves, just because I can't stand to sit there when it isn't my turn.
  
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Reply #19 - 10/30/07 at 15:08:00
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The other nice thing about writing down the time as you go is that you can easily see how long you've been thinking about your current move.  Once it gets up near 5 minutes I make myself explicitly decide whether I'm going to just give myself another minute or two to come up with a reasonable move or whether this is one of the few times per game that I'm going to allow myself to take a long think (I usually play 40/90 G/30).

If you can easily do the math in your head it's also worth it to regularly compute how many minutes per move you have to make before the time control.  It can make it more brutally clear just how fast you have to keep moving.
  
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Reply #18 - 10/30/07 at 03:59:31
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My personal record:  an hour and a half spent on one move (the time control was probably 45 or 50 moves in 2 hours, can't remember exactly).  I seem to recall that the world record as per Guinness was something like 1:50 on one move.
  
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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #17 - 10/30/07 at 03:34:16
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winawer77 wrote on 10/25/07 at 20:02:53:

my games consistently follow the same pattern - I spend a long time in the opening and early middlegame
I know my openings well and play them consistently, so I am getting familiar positions all the time, so that is not that cause, even if I do spend longer on the opening than necessary sometimes.

I don't understand this. Looks to me like there is a lot to win here. If you play the KID, why spend more than 2 minutes on the first 5 moves? Especially if you can decide before the game which ones to play?
If the positions in the late opening are still familiar, then it cannot be necessary to dive deep-sea at this stage either. You will know within a few seconds what the candidate moves are and should be able to develop an efficient routine to make a decision.
Like Thibdb I use Kotov's scheme. In addition, especially at a quite early stage, there is another method: before thinking of moves/plans or whatever, set yourself a limit. This is what Fischer did. You are out of theory, so say to yourself that you will decide within a few minutes.
The only exception is, when you feel that there is some decisive combination in the position. Twice I used almost 30 minutes (from one hour) to figure out a strong sac as far as possible. Of course I could play the next couple of moves almost a tempo. This exception is obvious.
  

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Reply #16 - 10/29/07 at 19:28:55
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For me the best piece of advice was given early on by Alias: "I used to take a walk after virtually every move. Try to stay at the table. I usually try to evaluate purely strategic concepts during my opponents time and do variation calculations on my own." I employ that in my games (though I usually tend to play fast anyway and rather intuitively - similarly to what Markovich experiences lately).

Moreover, this may be a useful read: http://www.kevinspraggett.com/badhabit.htm (read under the header "Time & Decision Making") and http://www.kevinspraggett.com/reflecti.htm#refl11 ("any last words about time trouble"). I get the feeling that Spraggett suggests that chronic time trouble may not be curable (but it is not necessarily a "disease").
  

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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #15 - 10/29/07 at 11:51:39
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Hi,
I had similar problems and found some very sound advice by Dan Heisman at his column "Novice Nook" at chesscafe.com. Look at # 10,40,52 and 61 from the archives.

I don´t mean to offend you by referring to a "novice" column regardless of your strength, as your rating is so much higher than mine. But I found the advice sound and managed to improve following his guidelines. A lot of his advice has been mentioned by other folks. The basics seem to be:

1. Writing down the time you spent each move
- because only that way you can analyze where you spent too much time later on.
2. Playing simple moves and opening quickly
- because that gives you more time for the critical moves.
3. Checking how much time is left per move until the next time control
- because then you can decide wether it is worth to spend some extra time on one move. Don´t go "all in" with your time budget, if it is likely that more critical decisions have to be made later in the game.
I (and Mr. Heisman, i hope) don´t think that you should follow Kotows method too strictly by allotting an identical time budget to every 10 moves or so. If you know your opening, why not playing the first 10 moves within 5 minutes? Furthermore, if an early endgame arises it is likely that the game can be longer than average. If you spend the full time for the first 40 moves the remaining 30 or 60 minutes for the rest of the game may not be enough. On the other hand, if you can spot an instantly winning tactic, you can take all the time left calculating the move, for if it works the game is finished shortly after.
4. and hardest:
Finding out which moves are critical, and deciding fast on non-critical moves. If Bd2 and Be3 both are sound and of about the average value, it´s not worth your precious time to decide between these moves.

Regards, Lou
  

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Reply #14 - 10/29/07 at 08:49:41
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Winawer- the solution to your time trouble seems obvious.

You have stated that you spend over half your time on the opening and early middlegame. 

Well it strikes me that you should hit the books and learn more on your lines and play through games which show the strategic plans this should save you a lot of time. 

Also I would imagine that time trouble doesn't occur in every game that you play. You should examine the reasons why. I have often noticed that I have used up more time  when I have been confronted with an idea that I haven't seen before or when I have got a lousy game. If you can work out why you weren't in time trouble in these games then you should be able to work out how not to get into such bad time trouble in the others.

Finally, you must be doing something right to get over 2200 - perhaps you need to play more Blitz so that your speed of thought increases generally or just to improve in those final minutes where you are in time trouble.

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Re: Time trouble!
Reply #13 - 10/29/07 at 08:06:45
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winawer77 wrote on 10/26/07 at 16:54:03:
Excellent advice guys, I've never really understood the true value of writing the move times down. Just seems like an extra hassle to me.
There are some players local to me that really move fast, rarely using more than 75% of their alloted time by the time the control is reached. I always wonder how such players move as fast as they do. Do they have it all worked out? Or do they just rely on making simple moves almost instantly and thinking on their opponents time? I realise this is a good blitz tactic, I regularly do this when I play online, however, in a classical time control surely this is stretching it a bit far? 

My aim is to be able to play like these guys, however I delve into the position so much (indeed this is why I enjoy chess) that I do not feel that I would be playing to my maximum if I didnt play this way. Something has go to give I suppose.

In addition to the times per move I would also add the evaluation (computerguided or not and if possible with the evaluation after the best alternative). What I noticed with a couple of games where I got into time trouble was that it wasnt caused by having to calculate much or anything, but that I had some minor advantage and couldnt find a way to cash in on it (or alternatively how to keep the opponent from cashing in on his advantage). One further worrying thing was that with the moves that took the longest think I was actually worsening my position Roll Eyes
I cured that part by going through a lot of tense middle games (eg Karpov and Petrosjan) and a course I took for work about decision making and time management (the latter was way more helpfull though). Now all that remains for a total cure is a more effective way of calculating and some real insight in the endgame Wink

Btw time trouble in itself isnt bad and can even be used to your advantage. It forces you to completely focus on the game and a direct reply in a complicated game can upset your opponent entirely.
  

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Reply #12 - 10/28/07 at 18:02:42
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LeeRoth wrote on 10/26/07 at 14:53:20:
As Mikhail Tal once told a young Garry Kasparov:  First you sacrifice, then you calculate!
                           

Well the situation was that he had just spent like 45 minutes calculating a sac that he didn't do. After the game Tal asked why he didn't do it in the end, and Kasparov said (he was 14 at the time, I think it was USSR championship if I remember correctly, by the way) that he couldn't calculate it all the way through. If I also remember correctly he would have gotten two pawns and a strong attack in exchange for a piece. Anyway, Tal said it jokingly.
  
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Reply #11 - 10/26/07 at 21:22:23
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Alias wrote on 10/26/07 at 14:30:08:
You are allowed to write down the times used (and it's probably a very good idea for you, winawer77). Viking: You must be thinking of writing down the moves before they are done. That's not allowed anymore.

You are right - of course  Embarrassed
  
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Reply #10 - 10/26/07 at 19:24:14
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Alias wrote on 10/26/07 at 04:57:03:
I've had problems with time trouble but have improved quite much in this respect. You need time at critical postitions where your choices change the position clearly or when accurate calculation is needed. Try not to spend time on decisions that really doesn't change the position very much. I also play correspondence chess. Even after spending a few days looking at a purely strategic position it's often hard for me to evaluate the small differences in strength of candidate moves. Try to see if there are any major differences of the moves and just pick the one you think is best in a reasonable time and save time for critical positions.

I used to take a walk after virtually every move. Try to stay at the table. I usually try to evaluate purely strategic concepts during my opponents time and do variation calculations on my own.

GM Schüssler once said that one should never spend more than 15 minutes on one move.


For a long time I had all sorts of time trouble, and then I just stopped having it any more.  I'm not sure what happened; undoubtedly I got better and chess and familiar with more positions, but also I just started to trust my instincts more.

When I am faced with various candidates and have a hard time telling the difference, one of the first things I do is to imagine myself explaining to someone why move x among others was chosen.  Then I pick the move with the best explanation.  Also I think there is a certain sense of smell in chess, where you can sometimes just smell the best move.  I wrote about that once, and I wasn't kidding.  It's just a kind of sense that move x is good chess.    I lose my share of games, of course, so I can hardly claim to be an authority.  But anyway, that's what I do.

I do agree with someone who said that you can tell when the game has reached a critical point. That's the time to think hard.  Also, when you've played unimpeachable moves but your Black opponent seems to be equalizing, or your White opponent getting the advantage, that's a good time to look for a tactic.
  

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Reply #9 - 10/26/07 at 16:54:03
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Excellent advice guys, I've never really understood the true value of writing the move times down. Just seems like an extra hassle to me.
There are some players local to me that really move fast, rarely using more than 75% of their alloted time by the time the control is reached. I always wonder how such players move as fast as they do. Do they have it all worked out? Or do they just rely on making simple moves almost instantly and thinking on their opponents time? I realise this is a good blitz tactic, I regularly do this when I play online, however, in a classical time control surely this is stretching it a bit far? 

My aim is to be able to play like these guys, however I delve into the position so much (indeed this is why I enjoy chess) that I do not feel that I would be playing to my maximum if I didnt play this way. Something has go to give I suppose.
  
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Reply #8 - 10/26/07 at 15:08:34
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Writing down clock times is definitely allowed.
  
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Reply #7 - 10/26/07 at 14:53:20
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As Mikhail Tal once told a young Garry Kasparov:  First you sacrifice, then you calculate!
                       
  
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Reply #6 - 10/26/07 at 14:30:08
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You are allowed to write down the times used (and it's probably a very good idea for you, winawer77). Viking: You must be thinking of writing down the moves before they are done. That's not allowed anymore.

  

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