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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #30 - 12/20/07 at 00:19:00
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FightingDragon wrote on 12/17/07 at 08:37:03:
@TopNotch: that's interesting.
My main opening with black is the regular dragon, but I use the Hyper-Acceleated occasionally, and mostly against lower-rated players.
I think that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 is interesting, and the position after 3. ... Bg7 4.d4 cd4: 5.cd4: d5 6.e5 Bg4 is perfectly suited to play for a win against weaker opponents.
On the other hand, I don't really trust 3.d4 cd4: 4.Qd4:! for black.  Undecided

Another interesting question: how to assess 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 ?


This more often than not leads by transposition to the other line you mentioned: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 Bg7 [Also popular is 3...d5]  4.d4 cd4 5.cd4 d5 6.e5 I think that White enjoys a nagging edge in all these lines provided he knows a few key tactical nuances along with which minor pieces to exchange.

I'm not sure I fully agree with you on the 4.Qxd4 variation though, granted it is a very dangerous line but a well theoretically prepared Black player should be able to negotiate the tactics well enough to emerge with a fully satisfactory game.

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #29 - 12/20/07 at 00:05:03
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TimS wrote on 12/17/07 at 11:26:43:
FightingDragon wrote on 12/17/07 at 08:37:03:
@TopNotch: that's interesting.
My main opening with black is the regular dragon, but I use the Hyper-Acceleated occasionally, and mostly against lower-rated players.
I think that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 is interesting, and the position after 3. ... Bg7 4.d4 cd4: 5.cd4: d5 6.e5 Bg4 is perfectly suited to play for a win against weaker opponents.
On the other hand, I don't really trust 3.d4 cd4: 4.Qd4:! for black.  Undecided

Another interesting question: how to assess 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 ?

*Hmm, I've just reached this position (6.e5 Bg4) against a player rated 117pts higher!
*The 4.Qd4 line is interesting but I don't think Black has too much to worry about. It's a rare bird, in my experience, and often White seems to have picked it hurriedly before a game after being told it's a refutation of of 2...g6 rather than because he has been playing it regularly and knows what's going on.
*I also play 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6. From my viewpoint one of the attractions of playing the hyper move-order is that I can meet c3 with ...g6. Some of the lines are promising for White but again I don't think Black is in any real difficulties, but he does need to know some theory.


This sounds a lot like Dzinzi in Chess Openings for Black Explained. In your game 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 Bg7 4.d4 cd4: 5.cd4: d5 6.e5 Bg4 if White now aims to exchange his light squared bishop for your knight on b8, then that's a good sign that he understands this position well  Wink

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #28 - 12/19/07 at 16:28:59
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October 2007 ... December 2007 ... now the book is expected January 2008.
Not in time for Hastings, but in time for Bad Woerishofen?!
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #27 - 12/17/07 at 11:26:43
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FightingDragon wrote on 12/17/07 at 08:37:03:
@TopNotch: that's interesting.
My main opening with black is the regular dragon, but I use the Hyper-Acceleated occasionally, and mostly against lower-rated players.
I think that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 is interesting, and the position after 3. ... Bg7 4.d4 cd4: 5.cd4: d5 6.e5 Bg4 is perfectly suited to play for a win against weaker opponents.
On the other hand, I don't really trust 3.d4 cd4: 4.Qd4:! for black.  Undecided

Another interesting question: how to assess 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 ?

*Hmm, I've just reached this position (6.e5 Bg4) against a player rated 117pts higher!
*The 4.Qd4 line is interesting but I don't think Black has too much to worry about. It's a rare bird, in my experience, and often White seems to have picked it hurriedly before a game after being told it's a refutation of of 2...g6 rather than because he has been playing it regularly and knows what's going on.
*I also play 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6. From my viewpoint one of the attractions of playing the hyper move-order is that I can meet c3 with ...g6. Some of the lines are promising for White but again I don't think Black is in any real difficulties, but he does need to know some theory.
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #26 - 12/17/07 at 08:37:03
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@TopNotch: that's interesting.
My main opening with black is the regular dragon, but I use the Hyper-Acceleated occasionally, and mostly against lower-rated players.
I think that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 is interesting, and the position after 3. ... Bg7 4.d4 cd4: 5.cd4: d5 6.e5 Bg4 is perfectly suited to play for a win against weaker opponents.
On the other hand, I don't really trust 3.d4 cd4: 4.Qd4:! for black.  Undecided

Another interesting question: how to assess 1.e4 c5 2.c3 g6 ?
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #25 - 12/16/07 at 18:29:29
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Greetings,

A GM friend or two!?  Grin

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #24 - 12/16/07 at 18:22:42
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TimS wrote on 12/16/07 at 17:03:07:
Ha! I love those lines (I've just got one in an IECG world championship semi-final) and have a good record against them.
Unfortunately I struggle in the main Maroczy and Nc3 lines  Smiley


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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #23 - 12/16/07 at 17:03:07
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Ha! I love those lines (I've just got one in an IECG world championship semi-final) and have a good record against them.
Unfortunately I struggle in the main Maroczy and Nc3 lines  Smiley
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #22 - 12/16/07 at 16:43:10
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Without a doubt the Hyper Accelerated Dragon is a very useful drawing weapon with the added bonus of avoiding the dreaded Rossolimo, however I have found that the lines starting 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3!? can be quite unpleasant for Black.

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Reply #21 - 12/16/07 at 12:56:38
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The December publication date is looking iffy ...
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #20 - 11/24/07 at 02:23:00
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andy get me acopy oh well i will buy one dying to see an e5 man look at the dragon, anyway come to argentina or gausdal I might just tee up e4 for this one. eric
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #19 - 11/22/07 at 08:03:00
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Hello dear Greet, as a quite experienced accelerated dragon player, I wonder if your book is deep enough on the theory, for example if you analyze seriously the lines arising after e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 d6 7.Be2 Nxd4 8.Qxd4 Bg7 9.Be3 0–0 10.Qd2 Be6 11.Rc1 Qa5 12.f3 Rfc8 13.b3 a6 14.Na4 Qxd2+ 15.Kxd2 Nd7 16.g4 because from the review of Tiviakov's DVD I read:

"The Maroczy System won't answer all of your questions. For example in the big main line in the Gurgenidze you won't find anything after 16.g4 f5 17.exf5 gxf5 18.h3 Rf8 19.f4 Rad8 except 20.g5, which is likely not White's most promising continuation. Nor will you find anything after 17.gxf5 – which brought Vaganian a quick win against Ponomariov – except 17...gxf5 18.Rhg1 Kh8. But that misses the point. The small details in the theory of the Maroczy will always be changing but if Black understands his thematic plans he should be able to find adequate resources."

And I will probably play lots of 2200+, 2300 and 2400+ OTB in the future who may play that line (or others where theory is important like the Uogele) as White, so I wonder if I should buy your book or if it is really to begin to play the accelerated dragon for the club player.

PS: (My only book on the subject is the one by Silman/Donaldson which may be still sufficient for many lines)

  
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Reply #18 - 11/15/07 at 15:04:55
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Thanks for the game, it was a nice one to follow! I sometimes play these positions as White, but my understanding is not so developed yet - I would have leaped to the chance to play 14. Nd5 (but of course your recommentation seems better).  Smiley
  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #17 - 11/14/07 at 15:22:52
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Here is a relevant game from the weekend, in which I utilised the Accelerated Dragon to make a comfortable draw against Harriet Hunt, a strong IM rated about the same as myself. (brief annotations are included)

[Event "4NCL"]
[Site "Birmingham ENG"]
[Date "2007.11.10"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Hunt, H."]
[Black "Greet, A."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B36"]
[WhiteElo "2448"]
[BlackElo "2441"]
[PlyCount "117"]
[EventDate "2007.11.15"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2007.11.12"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nc6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 d6 7. Be2 Nxd4 8.
Qxd4 Bg7 9. Be3 O-O 10. Qd2 Be6 11. Rc1 Qa5 12. f3 Rfc8 13. b3 a6 14. Nd5 (this is very tame - 14.Na4 is the more challenging move) 14...Qxd2+
15. Kxd2 Nxd5 16. cxd5 Bd7 17. a4 Bb2! (ensuring control of the c-file) 18. Rc2 Ba3 19. Bb6 Rxc2+ 20. Kxc2 Rc8+
21. Kb1 Kg7 (Black offers draw; my position is marginally better due to control over the c-file but there is no convincing way forward, so I decided to see if Harriet was feeling ambitious. She elected to play on but eventually came close to losing)
22. a5 Bb5 23. Bxb5 axb5 24. Rd1 g5 25. g3 f6 26. f4 gxf4 27. gxf4
Rc3 28. Ka2 Bb4 29. Rg1+ Kf7 30. Rg2 f5 31. Re2 fxe4 32. Rxe4 Bc5 33. Kb2 Rd3
34. Bxc5 dxc5 35. Re6 c4 36. bxc4 bxc4 37. Rh6 Rxd5 38. Rxh7+ Ke8 39. Kc3 Rxa5
40. Kxc4 Ra4+ 41. Kd5 Rxf4 (Black has an extra pawn but unfortunately White can draw) 42. h4 Kd7 43. h5 Rh4 44. Kc5 Rh1 45. h6 Rc1+ 46.
Kd5 b6 47. Rh8 Rc5+ 48. Ke4 Rh5 49. Kf4 Ke6 50. Kg4 Rh1 51. Rb8 Kf6 52. Rxb6+
e6 53. Rb5 Rxh6 54. Kf4 Rh4+ 55. Ke3 Rh1 56. Ra5 Re1+ 57. Kf3 Re5 58. Rxe5 Kxe5
59. Ke3 1/2-1/2

  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #16 - 11/02/07 at 21:31:38
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TimS wrote on 11/02/07 at 16:22:03:
Very much lookimng forward to this - will it be in the shops in time for Hastings?


The Everyman website is currently saying December 2007, so yes, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Hastings!
  
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