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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #90 - 04/07/09 at 13:38:59
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MNb wrote on 12/20/07 at 03:32:18:
Such positions have concerned me since I bought Schwarz' 1980 book on the Morra Gambit because of 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 g6 4.cxd4 (later authors have tried to stick to the gambit with 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bc4 but d3!) d5 5.e5 Bg7 and Schwarz gives three options:
a) 6.h3 and Black has to solve the problem of Bc8. One not random example is Haas-Rechel, Wiesbaden 1999.
b) 6.Nc3 Nc6 7.Bb5 and one game is Jonkman-Van Mil, NEDch sf 1994.
c) 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Bb5+ Nd7!? or 7.Nc3 Nc6 8.Bb5 and of course I do not understand these positions very well, but games like Korneev-Malakhov, Elista 1995 (13.Bg5!) and Pelikian-Perelshteyn, Osasco 2004 make me doubt about White's advantage. It looks like 7.Bb5+ Nc6 8.Bxc6+ is good for White though, as (s)he can prevent ...c6-c5.

It always has been my impression, that White might try to take benefit from the knight being on g1 yet. Black has a cramped position, so Black welcomes 6.Nf3 Bg4.


Indeed, I feel the same, that white is a little better if he does not allow the black to exchange the white square bishop for Nf3. therefore I decided to play 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd5 3.c3 Nf6 4.e5 (after Bd3 maybe dxc3, as white will have to move again his Bd3 to c4 or b5) Nd5 and we are in Alapin. I took this ideea from Rogozenco's Anti-Sicilians and i really like it. the play in Alapin is very different from Morra and is more likely to be unsuitable for a Morra player. After 1.e4 c5 2.c3 I play also Nd5, while after 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3.c3 I continue with Accelerated dragon, as I like these positions (also I play Panov with both colours).
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #89 - 02/24/09 at 20:47:31
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Paddy wrote on 02/20/09 at 01:51:49:
the Montevideo Attack

1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 Nc3 Bg7 6 Nb3 Nf6 7 g4! developed and played with a fair amount of success by various masters from Uruguay.


It seems that a fair amount of these successes were caused by surprised Black players. 7...d6 8.g5 (what else?) Nh5 (not that Nd7 is bad) and 9...h6 looks pretty good.
  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #88 - 02/20/09 at 19:21:51
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Fernando Semprun wrote on 02/13/09 at 11:02:42:
The accelerated Dragon also comes useful against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 ... My last accelerated Dragon even came after 1.d4 !



Oh no doubt, if you want Black's side of the Bind, there are several ways to get it.  You can get it from a KID Classical, for example, playing ...c5 instead of ...e5.  Personally that's not my cup of tea.
  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #87 - 02/20/09 at 16:46:40
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MNb wrote on 02/20/09 at 02:46:44:
Still Pachman thinks 6...Bxc3+ better for Black, something which is confirmed by practical results. White may try to trick Black into this line with 5.Nb3 and only after Nf6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.g4. Most players will chose 5...Bg7 though.


Also Suba recommended 6...Bc3+ 7 bxc3 Nf6 in an interesting series of articles on the importance of move orders in the opening, published in "Chess" magazine some years ago.

I have no doubt that it is playable and a good way to unbalance the game and play for a win, but in fact its overall score in Megabase is not very impressive.

There is always a risk involved in giving up the Dragon bishop, especially for a mere knight! Wink
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #86 - 02/20/09 at 02:46:44
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Still Pachman thinks 6...Bxc3+ better for Black, something which is confirmed by practical results. White may try to trick Black into this line with 5.Nb3 and only after Nf6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.g4. Most players will chose 5...Bg7 though.
  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #85 - 02/20/09 at 01:51:49
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An excellent book.

One gap seems to be the Montevideo Attack

1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 Nc3 Bg7 6 Nb3 Nf6 7 g4! developed and played with a fair amount of success by various masters from Uruguay.

OK, Black can avoid it with 6...Bxc3+ but this is not to the taste of every Ax Dragon player.
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #84 - 02/19/09 at 02:23:16
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Fernando Semprun wrote on 02/13/09 at 11:00:32:
I've lost plenty as white but PLEASE don't ask me about the games! Cool
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #83 - 02/13/09 at 11:02:42
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The accelerated Dragon also comes useful against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 ... My last accelerated Dragon even came after 1.d4 !

  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #82 - 02/13/09 at 11:00:32
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I've lost plenty as white but PLEASE don't ask me about the games! Cool
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #81 - 01/27/09 at 10:44:07
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I'm sure the book is good, but is the opening good? I never see any black wins vs the Maroczy.
  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #80 - 01/27/09 at 09:58:08
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Unownasofyet wrote on 12/07/08 at 22:27:34:
I love this book! It explains every question I have had  Smiley Smiley about this opening. This book has changed the way I play my games vs. Yugoslav lines. It has also made me want to be more adventurous in lines I normally consider to be set in stone. Buy more then one copy! 15/10!  


I agree..this is one of the best starting out books.
  

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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #79 - 12/07/08 at 22:27:34
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I love this book! It explains every question I have had  Smiley Smiley about this opening. This book has changed the way I play my games vs. Yugoslav lines. It has also made me want to be more adventurous in lines I normally consider to be set in stone. Buy more then one copy! 15/10!
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #78 - 12/02/08 at 08:01:07
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Here is what Silman+Donalson say in their book:

10.Bf3 d6 11.Nd5 [11.Nd4 Bg4!? 12.Bxg4(12.Nd5 Nbxd5 13.Bxg4 Nxe4 14.Ne6 fxe6 15.Bxe6+ Kh8 16.Bxd5 Nxf2! 17.Rxf2 Qb6 18.Bf3 Bd4 19.Qe2 e5) 12..Nxg4 13.Ndb5 Ne5 14.Nd5! Nc8?! 15.c3! +/= (Tompa-Hodgson 1983)] 11..Nfxd5 12.exd5 Bf5 13.c3 Nd3 etc, giving the game Gurevich-Mariasin 1992 (0-1)

But now there is maybe an improvment somewhere in theses lines. And one of the comment about 10.Bf3: "however, as Black I wouldn't stay awake nights worrying about 10.Bf3"

About 10.e5, it's not covered in this book. It may be interesting (only 8 games in chesslive scoring 5,5/8 for White, but there is no game at GM level, the strongest ELO was Ghinda (2455)-Marasescu(2350): 10.e5 Ne8 11.f4 d6 12.Be3 Bd7 13.exd6 with a draw agreed just now. So not very helpful but Black's position seems pretty solid here too.

About transposing into a "true" Dragon, it can't be bad, as it's not the most dangerous line for Black! So it's probably a matter of comfort, what type of positions you like the most, "true" Dragon against Be2 Nb3, or the "Accelerated way" with ..a4 ..Nb4 and ..d5 if possible, or ..d6.
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #77 - 12/01/08 at 23:31:30
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I also have the book and I like it too!  Smiley

But I found one small hole in the repertoire:

After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cd4: 4.Nd4: Nc6 if white wants to play the classical lines without Be3 and wants to avoid the motif Bc3:+, he can play either 5.Be2!? or 5.Nb3!? which are both not mentioned in the book.

Play could continue 5.Be2!? Bg7 6.Nb3 Nf6 7.Nc3 0-0 8.0-0 and now to keep the game in Accelerated waters black can play 8. ... a5 9.a4 Nb4.
After 10.Be3 we transpose to a position from the book, but white has alternatives:
Both 10.e5!? and 10.Bf3!? are annoying, the latter prevents d7-d5 for good and is the move I expect one of my next opponents in the league to play.

How would you evaluate the position? Perhaps black should get back to the normal dragon with 8. ... d6 ?
  
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Re: Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon
Reply #76 - 10/19/08 at 15:21:44
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TopNotch wrote on 09/27/08 at 04:29:44:
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Accelerated Dragon - A useful drawing weapon in the mould of the Petroff and Berlin.

The Worrall System - More or less useless against 5...Bc5, but the Worrall is only half the book so you can still get it for the non 3...a6 lines provided dealers are willing to accept half price.
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I am beginning to think all this theory business is simple: with black there is no clear path to equality (less so is you even pretend to keep some winning chances (what?) ) with white no clear line for an edge.

So one would forget about the whole business and solve tactical positions and blow opponents off the board, but every once in a while one is in the receiving end of a theoretical debate and the whole cycle starts again.

It is also true that the more lines one can play, the more difficult is to prepare against...  Shocked
  

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