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Karyakin    
  1 (4.2%)
Cheparinov    
  0 (0.0%)
Ponomariov    
  2 (8.3%)
Jakovenko    
  1 (4.2%)
Shirov    
  9 (37.5%)
Kamsky    
  5 (20.8%)
Carlsen    
  4 (16.7%)
Alekseev    
  2 (8.3%)




Total votes: 24
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Re: World cup
Reply #34 - 12/11/07 at 12:46:32
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Shirov just won the match against Karyakin.
He'll play in the final against Kamsky.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Reply #33 - 12/10/07 at 18:48:08
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Hello Dragan:

I am not trying to drive you or others to my almost dead thread in the general section on player styles a la Hansen but I thought this might be relevant here.

In terms of Shirov, Lars Bo Hansen classifies him as an Activist (uses Facts instead of General Concepts and Intuition instead of Logic). Other activists are Tal, Anand, Topo, and Moro.

Unfortunately he hasn't classified the other three. Which is what I was hoping ye could help me with (grin).

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Dragan Glas wrote on 12/08/07 at 19:32:05:
Greetings,

I was looking for any insight into their styles of play.

Shirov, obviously, is easy to categorise as a attacking player. Having said that, I think that he's grown into a more rounded player than when he played his "Fire on Board!" games.

Kamsky was in the spotlight many years ago and then all but disappeared from it when he went to the USA.

Carlsen - and particularly Karjakin (any relation to the Karjakin!?) - are dark horses, notwithstanding Carlsen's many games, mainly due to their youth.

I'd be interested to know how the titled players here perceive their respective styles.

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas

  
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Re: World cup
Reply #32 - 12/10/07 at 17:33:58
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Well perhaps it was a bad choice by Carlsen, he probably should have stuck to his normal repertoire. 
But a commentator pointed out that Kamsky's opening preparation for this tournament seemed much better than in previous tournaments.
In the match against Pomariov with white he offered to go into the poisoned pawn variation of the Najdorf, and it was Pomariov who chickened out.
In the first game against Carlsen, he showed good preparation as well.
In todays game I think he followed a side line, but still managed to sharpen the game. Halfway it seemed all over, when Kamsky won an exchange for which Carlsen had certainly little compensation. 
Carlsen's resistance lasted some 20 moves, but was "futile".

@ostrapbender: 
well this tournament seems a bit disappointing for 
"one of our most frequent posters" who dislikes both Shirov and Kamsky. What do those two have it common? Could it be that
both crushed the big K in a match, knocking him out of a WC-cycle.... Kiss
  
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Reply #31 - 12/10/07 at 15:53:58
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It was a very bad choice of opening by Carlsen today. The Petroff is precisely something that Kamsky was praying for... because now he can demonstrate his middlegame prowess without risk. Carlsen ought to have played a principled and theoretical opening like the sveshnikov or najdorf where i'm sure he is more up to date than Kamsky.
  
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Reply #30 - 12/10/07 at 15:18:03
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Kamsky beat Carlsen in their second game and goes on to the finals.  I suppose this will provide an opportunity for more knee-jerk, anti-Kamsky rhetoric from one of our frequent posters?  Roll Eyes

Shirov and Karjakin drew again and will head into tie-breaks.
  

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Reply #29 - 12/10/07 at 15:15:10
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Noooooo! Carlsen has been knocked out.   Cry
  
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Reply #28 - 12/09/07 at 10:32:29
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Kamsky is probably (imho) the best of the four semi-finalists in normal games. As Inn2 said, he is a bit stronger than the others in the middlegame. The problem is he needs a lot of time to be efficient. So, if he cannot make the difference in the first two games against Carlsen, Carlsen will emerge in the rapid and blitz games.
  

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Reply #27 - 12/09/07 at 07:02:10
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Hmm... when i started playing chess Kamsky was supposed to have retired, along with names like Salov and Piket and Sadler. I don't know Kamsky well, but it seems Kamsky's middlegame play has been most impressive thus far. both Carlsen and Shirov (except for that Shulman Winawer PP game) appear to have relied mostly on better preparation to win 

I wonder who the knockout format favours.  Huh

Someone with better opening novelties, or someone with better nerves/fighting spirit? 

evidence from past KOs suggest the latter...
  
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Reply #26 - 12/09/07 at 05:24:40
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One of my (many) problems with Kamsky is that he either looks like he's winning easily or unsportingly playing on in dead lost positions as if he has no sense that he lost eons ago.  Since he unretired, he has slipped up badly at some stage of just about every major event he's played in.  I'm counting on him to look awful again.

  
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Reply #25 - 12/08/07 at 21:11:57
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My heart is pulling for Shirov, though Kamsky is looking very strong.  His match with Carlsen should be exciting.  I think Shirov probably got the easier youngster, and should be able to dispatch Karjakin, especially given he got an easy quarter-final and a bit of rest; he should be well ready.  Carlsen and Kamsky: I dunno.  I could see it going either way.  Either Kamsky will catch him early in the two full games or Carlsen will prevail in the shorter time frames...
  

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Re: World cup
Reply #24 - 12/08/07 at 21:08:31
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Greetings,

JonHecht wrote on 12/08/07 at 20:43:26:
I am not sure why you say that Carlsen is a dark horse. I actually had him as one of the favorites to win.

I meant only in terms of his style - he's still too young to really categorise it, notwithstanding his very early entry onto the world stage.

Certainly he was - and now definitely is! - one of the likeliest to be on the short list.

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Reply #23 - 12/08/07 at 21:02:01
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Greetings,

kylemeister wrote on 12/08/07 at 19:49:14:
Uh, it was after moving to the US that Kamsky went from something like 2350 to 2750.  And who is "the" Karjakin?

Kamsky was a rising star in the former USSR until he emigrated to the US and continued playing - and rising - until 1996. He then dropped out of chess from 1996 until 2004 - apart from a mini-match with Khalifman in 1999. When he started playing again, his rating was around 2450, as against his current rating of over 2700.

There was a Russian player, Yuri Kariakin (Karyakin), in 1960s - once I checked the spelling/nationality, I doubt whether Sergei could be related - though it's still possible.

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I am not sure why you say that Carlsen is a dark horse. I actually had him as one of the favorites to win.
  
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Uh, it was after moving to the US that Kamsky went from something like 2350 to 2750.  And who is "the" Karjakin?
  
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Re: World cup
Reply #20 - 12/08/07 at 19:32:05
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Greetings,

I was looking for any insight into their styles of play.

Shirov, obviously, is easy to categorise as a attacking player. Having said that, I think that he's grown into a more rounded player than when he played his "Fire on Board!" games.

Kamsky was in the spotlight many years ago and then all but disappeared from it when he went to the USA.

Carlsen - and particularly Karjakin (any relation to the Karjakin!?) - are dark horses, notwithstanding Carlsen's many games, mainly due to their youth.

I'd be interested to know how the titled players here perceive their respective styles.

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
  
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