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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #13 - 12/07/07 at 22:53:07
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if you want to be a real man, play the sicilian!

Just like Judit Polgar Tongue
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #12 - 12/07/07 at 21:38:15
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Hello All:

Are all French players weenies or just those that play ...exd4? 

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I understand the people playing exd4, the french is just such an ugly weeny defence,
if you want to be a real man, play the sicilian!

  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #11 - 12/07/07 at 18:57:22
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kalle99 wrote on 12/06/07 at 16:58:56:
Well I am against players just playing for a draw. Chess is a "game of war" where the goal is to go out and defeat an enemy (army). Do you go out in a war NOT trying to defeat your enemy ?

A second point of NOT chosing such "old woman" like opening is that it will not develop you as a player. At least not universaly.

I have a plus score against 3..dxe4 and the french as a whole but it does not change my opinion about this boring opening choice. As I said it does not develop you so much as a player so it should be refuted only for that.

This thread  HAS a very important point in that regard.


I like the analogy of chess being a game of war (as long as you don't extend the analogy beyond the chess board), but I still disagree about that being an argument against playing "boring" chess. In war, defence is just as important as offence, and especially against stronger players, I sometimes choose to play such lines as Black simply because I find it exciting to see what they're able to come up with against solid defence. In war, if you consider the opponent strong, your goal may be to keep your stronghold, and there can be some interesting battles resulting from that.

I find it more frustrating when people play such lines with White, but still, there always seems to be opportunities for play no matter how boring the opening (with the exception of openings leading to perpetual checks).
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #10 - 12/07/07 at 16:27:42
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Grin Grin

and we are complaining about mouse-slips..!
  
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Reply #9 - 12/07/07 at 16:18:23
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Never mind the opening preparation, how do they distinguish between the pieces ? I would move everything as if it were a knight...
  
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Reply #8 - 12/07/07 at 15:27:49
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Grin

How, I mean how on earth, are you supposed to remember your opening preparation after a few punches???
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #7 - 12/07/07 at 12:49:22
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Perhaps Kalle99 and Battleangel would prefer to take up this chess variant:

http://site.wcbo.org/content/e14/index_en.html
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #6 - 12/07/07 at 03:14:03
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Learn to channel your natural aggresion into a more profitable action other than complaining which is the easy way out.  I'M a 1e4 player and I detested meeting the dreaded 2.)....Nf6 (Petrof). How I hated this opening and the players who I percieved to be gutless. Ahhh those Petrof players all emulating their boring Drawnik. My great dislike for this opening and those who would play it lead me into a long in depth study of this variation. 

Now I'M very confident when I see one of these Petrof players and the joy of crushing them in their pet variation. Most of the Petrof players I have met to date are creatures of chess fasion and have only a very light understanding of the Petrof so they are easy prey. 

So don't whine and study up on the Rubinstein and Burn variations.
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #5 - 12/07/07 at 01:49:32
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How peculiar. I agree with uberdecker.
If you want to be 'hard' battleangel, something like Mixed Martial Arts or boxing may be more your cup of tea. Or just call someone's grandmother a horse in a rough pub.

Chess is a game of war? Calm down chaps. Put it back in your pants.

If my opponent wants to play moves, any moves are okay. Not fussed - one just has to to show the opponent that one has a greater understanding. 

Suspect many such 'You are not a man' comments may result from a simple lack of understanding of such positions and the game in general.

To understand such positions: Kraai at chesslecture.com, Kasim's vid and Opening Repertoire for White (alburt et al - the best section of an otherwise suspect book)

Calm down. Either have a Cadbury's Caramel. Or choose Aggro and get beaten up in the pub car park.
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #4 - 12/06/07 at 22:23:56
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Uberdecker wrote on 12/06/07 at 16:16:32:

The right to play only for a draw straight out of the opening with White is perhaps slightly more debatable, but for black it is entirely respectable.
Pretty pointless thread...

Agreed. Everybody on this planet has the inalienable right to play as boring as (s)he likes to. It is up to the opponent to find a remedy.
In this special case:
A) play 4.f3 or 5.f3.
B) castle queenside.
  
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Reply #3 - 12/06/07 at 19:09:15
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I understand the people playing exd4, the french is just such an ugly weeny defence,
if you want to be a real man, play the sicilian!
  
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #2 - 12/06/07 at 16:58:56
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Well I am against players just playing for a draw. Chess is a "game of war" where the goal is to go out and defeat an enemy (army). Do you go out in a war NOT trying to defeat your enemy ?

A second point of NOT chosing such "old woman" like opening is that it will not develop you as a player. At least not universaly.

I have a plus score against 3..dxe4 and the french as a whole but it does not change my opinion about this boring opening choice. As I said it does not develop you so much as a player so it should be refuted only for that.

This thread  HAS a very important point in that regard.
  
"I Often see in chess forums people asking : " What is the current status of that line ?"&&&&Its a good reasonable question,but who can claim that he knows the answer ?!&&&&Semko Semkov Januari 2008
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Re: Anti-chess
Reply #1 - 12/06/07 at 16:16:32
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Well, if you intend to study and find the best way to beat this variation, then you have no reason to be  annoyed with those who employ it. 
This kind of play is not my cup of tea either, but it is not up to me or you to decide which style embodies "the soul of chess".
The right to play only for a draw straight out of the opening with White is perhaps slightly more debatable, but for black it is entirely respectable.
Pretty pointless thread...
  
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C00-C19: Anti-chess
12/06/07 at 16:03:26
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I must express my opinion. We all love to play chess...right ? But all these "old women like" french chessplayers who always play 3...dxe4 are in my opinion ANTI-CHESS PLAYERS. It is quite depressing to see how the black side just strives for exchange exchange exchange. Black is even many times content with a draw. They dont try to create anything special on the board. No imagination. No beautiful attack....nothing. Just exchange exchange exchange and then c5 pawn push. 

My opinion is that such boring persons shouldnt play chess. An that includes GM:S too. 
It takes two to tango. It takes two (most often) to create an interesting and beautiful chessgame.

I have today ordered Kazimdhanovs  : How to beat the french DVD Vol 3 wich handles  3...dxe4.
I will study this very carefully so I will be prepared for a looooooooong and hard struggle against any person in the world who plays it against me. 

Thats all!
« Last Edit: 07/30/11 at 14:03:49 by dom »  
"I Often see in chess forums people asking : " What is the current status of that line ?"&&&&Its a good reasonable question,but who can claim that he knows the answer ?!&&&&Semko Semkov Januari 2008
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