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Re: Question for TONY KOSTEN: Win with e5 reply to e4
Reply #8 - 01/06/08 at 17:42:34
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saubhikr wrote on 01/06/08 at 16:48:09:
I liked your comments in the French where you mentioned how difficult it was to win against French Exchange and you had a lot many such games against lower rated players. I still gave it a try and found you were right.

But whereas the open e-file and symmetrical structure are a long-term problem in the Exchange French, such problems rarely exist in 1 e4 e5 openings. At least I have never really had any problems trying to win as Black, except in one or two lines which are easily avoided. Smiley
  
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Re: Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
Reply #7 - 01/06/08 at 17:39:24
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It seems to me that when GMs "need to win" against other GMs as Black (for example to win a match, or to move up in standing in a tournament), they usually trot out the Sicilian, and if not the Sicilian then some other counter-attacking type of opening.

However, against lower-rated opponents (Experts, FMs) it seems like GMs try to avoid messy, unclear, unbalanced positions where a single slip can cost you the game.

I think Simon Webb addressed this issue in his book Chess for Tigers.

My impression is that GMs seem to think that in principle it is somewhat more difficult to win with 1...e5 -- but it is also somewhat easier not to lose.
  
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Question for TONY KOSTEN: Win with e5 reply to e4 ?
Reply #6 - 01/06/08 at 16:48:09
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Tony,

I liked your comments in the French where you mentioned how difficult it was to win against French Exchange and you had a lot many such games against lower rated players. I still gave it a try and found you were right.

Tony, please let us know what do you think for this issue
  
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Re: Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
Reply #5 - 01/06/08 at 15:05:07
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Yes, naturally.

If you understand the resulting positions better than your opponent. I concur with KM here. As in any opening. Did you think before asking this question? For long?

Don't feel obliged to go along with Davies' comments re... e5, though I acknowledge this is a widely quoted notion.

Some do, some don't. E.g. Nakamura san chugs along happily having never done so. 





  
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Re: Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
Reply #4 - 01/06/08 at 14:53:00
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Thanks for your comments on this. My id is saubhikr@yahoo.com and blog is http://uncommonchess.blogspot.com/. Please send your games in there.

Is it true that reply e5 help one to become better player as Davies mentioned ?? Can you give some pointer on this ?
  
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Re: Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
Reply #3 - 01/06/08 at 14:08:00
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saubhikr wrote on 01/06/08 at 02:39:44:

Does black really have winning chances if he replies 1.e4 with e5 ? 

Yes, if he withing the limits of soundness choses the most ambitious replies; no Petrov but 2...Nc6, no Italian proper but 3...Nf6 etcetera. It means though that Black must be able to play all kind of different positions; sometimes play a gambit himself (3...Nf6 4.Ng5 d5), sometimes defend against it (2.f4 exf4), sometimes play a long manoeuvring game (2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.d3 Na5 or Bb4).
  
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Re: Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
Reply #2 - 01/06/08 at 08:47:12
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Dear friend,

If you played Dragon I'm assured that you like messy and highly tactical positions, and I do not see a reason why you should not play Open Games. Even I'm switching from Najdorf to Open Games. In every line of Open Games you have very very dangerous and furious lines.

Send me your e-mail via private message and I will send you some material!!!!!!!  Wink Wink
  
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Re: Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
Reply #1 - 01/06/08 at 03:39:31
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My honest answer would be some combination of thoughts like:

oh, come on
certainly you can win if you understand what's going on better than your opponents
if you're interested in it, look at some good games/books and start playing it
the question about how to win in the equalish positions is impossibly general
  
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Can we REALLY Win with e5 reply to e4 ???
01/06/08 at 02:39:44
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I was a sicilain dragon player, then tried Scandinavian, then French. I am currently rated 1980 USCF. Working hard to improve my chess understanding and break into 2100 rating. One key question I need to decide - What to play in response to 1.e4. I read Nigel Davies' comment that you get better if you play e5 to e4, you learn better chess (not sure about how though). But I see most of the GM games either end in draw or white wins. Not that many black wins with e5 response to e4 ( I made my honest comments here). The positions seem very equalish/drawish - compare that with double edged equal chances of sicilian - black may not much chance to win (unless white drops a piece or blunders a pawn). But something inside me pushing me to play e5, not sure what...may be because I never played it or not and wanted to know how it feels. But I am afraid that after spending a lot of time learning this, whether I will concede a lot of draws to lower rated opponents (80% of my opponents are rated lower in the tournaments I play).

My question to all - please give me an honest answer...

Does black really have winning chances if he replies 1.e4 with e5 ? 

If yes, how does he get it (just the ideas) in the equalish positions...

Thanks a lot
Souvik Roychoudhury
Milwaukee, WI
  
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