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Question: Who else thinks that mouse slip variation is appropriate?

Yes, "mouse slip variation"!

11 (42.3%)

No, a serious name (e.g. Hobbs gambit in the GPA)

5 (19.2%)

I don't care.

4 (15.4%)

I can think of an even funnier name.

5 (19.2%)

Master *** names it as the ***, stick to that.

1 (3.8%)

Total votes: 26

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IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? (Read 30172 times)

Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #10 - 02/04/08 at 06:52:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Mouse Slip Variation is a stupid name. No chess opening I know has been named for making a... faulty computer move!


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Bonsai God Member Offline Posts: 622 Joined: 03/13/04 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g Reply #9 - 02/03/08 at 13:42:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Why don't we randomly hold a poll on this?


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X God Member Offline Education is a system of imposed ignorance.Chomsky Posts: 571 Joined: 10/04/03	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #8 - 02/03/08 at 05:51:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gambit wrote on 02/03/08 at 05:31:56: I disagree. Mouse Slip Variation is a very stupid name. How about the Sicilian Defense, Grand Prix Attack, Hobbs Gambit? 1 e4 c5 (Sicilian Defense) 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 (Grand Prix) g5 (Hobbs Gambit) The real Hobbs Gambit is 1 f4 g5, while the Hobbs-Zilbermints Gambit is 1 f4 h6 2 Nf3 g5! Now, back to your question. After 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 f4 g5 4 fxg5 h6! what do you suggest? I contend that is so stupid as to be totally sweet, though perhaps we will have to agree to disagree. That's what I'd name it if turned out to be viable or at least mildly dubious. (In case you didn't catch it, the reasoning behind the joke is that the main move is 3...g6. You're too serious. I like fun names in chess!) Hmm, after 4.fxg5 h6, I don't see any good way for Black to meet 5.Qh5 with g6 on the tables. So I'll have to pass it back to you. What do you suggest?

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Bibs YaBB Moderator Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #7 - 02/03/08 at 05:49:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Nonsense. fg5. You are a pawn down. Nuff said. Next randomly generated g pawn push pls... Is he being sponsored per g-post for charity? Perhaps an email from a dyslexic girlfriend leads dear Lev in his search for the all-important g-post.


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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #6 - 02/03/08 at 05:32:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	To be honest, I think that after 4.fg5 Bg7 Black is in serious difficulties after simple development by White. Black's kingside weaknesses are a long-term factor which ensure White of the better chances. If Black is after something unorthodox against 2.Nc3, then 2...a6!? is a much sounder way of going about it (exploiting the fact that Nc3 prevents both c3 and c4).

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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #5 - 02/03/08 at 05:31:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	I disagree. Mouse Slip Variation is a very stupid name. How about the Sicilian Defense, Grand Prix Attack, Hobbs Gambit? 1 e4 c5 (Sicilian Defense) 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 (Grand Prix) g5 (Hobbs Gambit) The real Hobbs Gambit is 1 f4 g5, while the Hobbs-Zilbermints Gambit is 1 f4 h6 2 Nf3 g5! Now, back to your question. After 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 f4 g5 4 fxg5 h6! what do you suggest?


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X God Member Offline Education is a system of imposed ignorance.Chomsky Posts: 571 Joined: 10/04/03	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #4 - 02/03/08 at 04:06:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	5.Nf3 d6 is inconsistent with Black's idea. Black would play 5...e6. I looked at 5.Nf3 and 5.Bc4, and decided that I preferred the simplicity of 5.g3. 5.g3 only superficially looks slow. The purpose of the move is to meet Black's central occupation in an efficient way. In this case the knight is better placed on e2 where it can be routed to f4. It is a completely positional approach that I found after I did not see any success with a direct attack. In the line I gave, Black is close to losing in the final position. He is a pawn down and his kingside is a wreck.

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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #3 - 02/03/08 at 03:36:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	5.g3 looks too slow. Either 5.Nf3 or 5.Bc4 look stronger, developing actively to try and exploit Black's kingside weaknesses. For example: 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 h6 7.d3! and White is much better. (Weaker is 7.g6?! fg6 8.Nh4?! Ne5, but 8.0-0 looks slightly better for White anyway). Compare with the Grand Prix Attack.

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X God Member Offline Education is a system of imposed ignorance.Chomsky Posts: 571 Joined: 10/04/03	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #2 - 02/03/08 at 03:27:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	Mouse slip variation? Ok sorry, I had to joke. (But actually I think that would be a good name, because that is what it looks like.) Hmm, I think I see the idea now. The idea is to quickly gain control of the center. How about the simple 4.fxg5 Bg7 5.g3 e6 6.Bg2 Nge7 7.Nge2 d5 8.exd5 exd5 9.0-0?

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DoubledPawns Senior Member Offline 1.a3 e5 2.Nc3 Ba3 3.Ne4 Bf8 4.Ra5 Ke7 5.Re5# Posts: 283 Joined: 02/01/08	Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? Reply #1 - 02/03/08 at 03:26:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	After 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4, the idea of 3...g5 seems to be to take control of the central square e5 and to accelerate Black's kingside development. The critical test is accepting the sacrifice with 4.fg5 (4.f5?! Bg7 is fine for Black in view of White's weak dark-squares; a timely ...e6 will follow; 4.Nh3 is White's best bet if he wants to refuse the gambit - after 4...gf4 5.Nf4 is unclear but probably better for White in view of Black's weakened kingside, e.g. Bc4, 0-0, Qh5). 4...h6 (4...Bg7 5.Nf3 is too slow) 5.Qh5! and Black is already in trouble, since g6 is an obvious threat, and 5...d6 6.Bc4 (6.g6!? Be6 7.Nf3) 6...e6 7.Nf3 is not really what Black is after. My conclusion is that 3...g5 might work in blitz, but that's about it. P.S I checked the ChessLive database, and found the two games mentioned. The first one is an obvious typo on move 3, while in the other White played 5.gh6?! instead of 5.Qh5.

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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1397 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? 02/03/08 at 02:01:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!? On 1/31/2008 I played 2 games on ICC with it, and the score was +1, -1. On the chesslive.de database, there are 2 games with this line. There the score is also +1, -1. However in the game that Black lost, the final position is far from clear. I wonder if Black stopped sending the moves, withdrew... or is the result posted wrong? Can anyone tell me what this gambit is called? No jokes, please. Serious answers only.


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