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Poll Question: Who else thinks that mouse slip variation is appropriate?
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Yes, "mouse slip variation"!    
  11 (42.3%)
No, a serious name (e.g. Hobbs gambit in the GPA)    
  5 (19.2%)
I don't care.    
  4 (15.4%)
I can think of an even funnier name.    
  5 (19.2%)
Master *** names it as the ***, stick to that.    
  1 (3.8%)




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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #25 - 02/08/08 at 03:16:43
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mefisto6 wrote on 02/07/08 at 12:38:49:
Gambit wrote on 02/04/08 at 06:52:13:
Mouse Slip Variation is a stupid name. No chess opening I know has been named for making a... faulty computer move!


There is a better name for it: "Best Zilbermints Gambit" (BZG for the experts).
"Best" because you are only giving away one pawn.


Don't be ridiculous!  I never name my openings "Best....." 

In any event, I would prefer more analyses and less joking in this thread.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #24 - 02/07/08 at 12:38:49
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Gambit wrote on 02/04/08 at 06:52:13:
Mouse Slip Variation is a stupid name. No chess opening I know has been named for making a... faulty computer move!


There is a better name for it: "Best Zilbermint Gambit" (BZG for the experts).
"Best" because you are only giving away one pawn.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #23 - 02/07/08 at 11:27:35
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I found a way to revive the line with a modification of the gambit:  4.fxg5 f6!!  (King's Gambit of the Mouse Slip Variation)

Why not just play 1.e4 g5 and get it over with already?  This thread is so whack.   Grin

  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #22 - 02/07/08 at 10:21:34
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1.e4 c5 2.f4!! (2. Nc3 Nc6  followed by f4 g5 doesnt change much) g5!! (after weeks of rybka-analyses this is clearly the only move here!) 3.h4!!

this now forces 3...f6 cause of the second third chess - pint rule (its the first time in the history of chess that this forgotten medivial rule has to be used!)

4.Qh5#

Conclusion: 1...c5 is losing by force!   Wink
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #21 - 02/07/08 at 09:04:42
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Does the gambit work with an extra tempo? (1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.d3 f5 4.g4, although imo to play it with White is even less sane)
  
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Reply #20 - 02/07/08 at 08:48:35
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X wrote on 02/07/08 at 07:56:07:
No jokes!  Serious analysis only.


No jokes?!?  This entire thread is a joke.

Anyway, we're all eagerly awaiting Lev's refutation of 5.Qh5, since he did give ...h6 an exclamation mark: 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g5 4.fg h6!

And once he's done refuting 5.Qh5, he can get to work on my initial reaction (with no board) for White: 5.g6 fg 6.Qg4 Ne5 7.Qg3! Bg7 8.Nf3!.  This looks clearly better for White--I don't think anyone could dispute this--though perhaps it's not quite winning.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #19 - 02/07/08 at 08:24:23
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X wrote on 02/07/08 at 07:56:07:
No jokes!  Serious analysis only.


Fair enough, we've had a good laugh already Smiley.

I don't think 1.e4 e5 2.f4 g5 is sound; what about just 3.fe5?. Black cannot win the pawn back with ...Nc6, ...Qe7 and/or ...Bg7 because of simply d4, but otherwise isn't White just a pawn up for nothing?

  
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No jokes!  Serious analysis only.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #17 - 02/07/08 at 05:29:08
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What about 1.e4 e5 2.f4 g5 ?
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Yes, this looks like a fascinating counter-gambit Wink! In my opinion, there are 2 factors stopping it from becoming fashionable at the GM level:

a) 3.d4!? is a fascinating counter-counter gambit which, according to my analyses, is a forced draw... Shocked

b) The more important reason, however, is 3.Qh5!!, obtaining a decisive psychological advantage. There are two threats: Bc4, Qf7 mate, and the ever so subtle fg5 winning a pawn. Black can play 3...ef4, but after 4.Nf3 the threats of Ng5, Bc4 as well as d4 seem unstoppable. You know, this gambit reminds me of 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g5 Smiley...
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #16 - 02/07/08 at 01:40:43
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You want to give up the Knight for nothing??
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #15 - 02/07/08 at 01:22:53
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Bibs wrote on 02/03/08 at 05:49:16:
Nonsense. fg5.
You are a pawn down. Nuff said.
Next randomly generated g pawn push pls...

What about 1.e4 e5 2.f4 g5 ?
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #14 - 02/07/08 at 00:59:43
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X wrote on 02/03/08 at 05:51:33:


Hmm, after 4.fxg5 h6, I don't see any good way for Black to meet 5.Qh5 with g6 on the tables.  So I'll have to pass it back to you.  What do you suggest?


Clearly, the queen sortie must be premature.  To take advantage of it, I suggest 5...Nf6!!, forcing White to waste a tempo capturing the knight.  After 6.gxf6, Black doesn't have to worry about 6.g5-g6 anymore.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #13 - 02/06/08 at 17:06:58
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DoubledPawns wrote on 02/06/08 at 09:48:44:
After 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g5!! 4.fg5??, it seems to me that Black can gain a decisive psychological advantage Shocked with 4...d5!! 5.ed5?? Nd4, but White's compensation in the form of two pawns should be winning Wink.


Nice try. I think 4...d5 is premature here. This isn't the Hobbs-Zilbermints  Gambit in the Bird Opening, where you can get away with this sort of thing. That line runs 1 f4 h6 2 Nf3 g5 3 fg5 hxg5 4 Nxg5 d5!
and after ...Qd6, Black is got real compensation for the pawn.

Here, after 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 f4 g5 4 fg5 d5? 5 Nxd5 Black has problems.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #12 - 02/06/08 at 09:48:44
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After 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g5!! 4.fg5??, it seems to me that Black can gain a decisive psychological advantage Shocked with 4...d5!! 5.ed5?? Nd4, but White's compensation in the form of two pawns should be winning Wink.
  
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Re: IS THIS A NEW GAMBIT? 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 g5!?
Reply #11 - 02/04/08 at 14:19:09
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This new gambit reminds me of a story a friend of mine told me:
In a blitz tournament he had black against an IM and after 1.Nf3 he played 1...g5. The IM looked at him with a smile on his face and took the pawn saying: "Well, I just take this one". A few moves later the IM won easily.

What the story tells us: You may find a lot of exciting ways to sac pawns in the opening - strong players will just take them and win. Better open the bin ...

PS: And who the ... is "Zilbermints" - Ive never heard, read ...  Wink
  
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