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King's Indian    
  17 (6.9%)
Queen's Indian    
  3 (1.2%)
Slav and Semi-Slav    
  57 (23.3%)
Gruenfeld    
  9 (3.7%)
Dutch    
  92 (37.6%)
Benoni    
  0 (0.0%)
Volga/Benko Gambit    
  1 (0.4%)
Queen's Gambit    
  16 (6.5%)
Nimzo Indian    
  41 (16.7%)
Budapest Gambit, Chigorin and other    
  9 (3.7%)




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Reply #58 - 03/07/08 at 05:13:10
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The Dutch is +/=, the Grunfeld is +/=, the Slav is +/=, but the Semi-Slav is unclear to =. Let the top players be the judges Wink.
  

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Reply #57 - 03/07/08 at 01:40:17
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A good friend who is a Master and is an avid player of the QGA  recomends a good study of the games of Rublvesky.
  
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Reply #56 - 03/06/08 at 23:16:30
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Perhaps you need some 'brain-wash' to cleanse yourself, as advocated by a previous poster.  Shocked

Oh, and the best defence? Well it's either the Slav, the Grunny or the Dutch. Although occasionally I try the Semi Slav, too.  So it could be that one....

Or the QGA, come to think of it.  Yes, it's definitely one of those.  Whichever one I'm 100% prepared in.  

Now wash my brain, please.
  
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Reply #55 - 03/06/08 at 10:39:11
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Thanks for support drkodos!

We won't be bothered by ridicule any more  Grin
  
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Reply #54 - 03/05/08 at 21:19:50
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HgMan wrote on 02/29/08 at 01:06:46:
I think this officially rates as one of the most ridiculous threads in some time.  


Which makes it one of the most entertaining for me.  Nothing better than a pissing-into-the-wind contest on the intrawebs to get some cheap laughs and some insight into the frailties of the human mind.

I play the Benko, therefore it is the best.   
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #53 - 03/04/08 at 05:07:32
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How to achieve 100% preparation? Well, if someone (e.g a computer) had achieved that, then chances are we wouldn't be playing chess today.

According to an old New In Chess Magazine, under the section "Your Move" (written in 2004, I think), someone claims that the calculating ability to solve the game of chess would exceed the capacity of the universe, or something like that. I cannot be bothered searching through my compliation of NIC Magazines to find it. 

The bottom line is: The only way to achieve 100% preparation is to solve the game of chess. And nowadays that is considered impossible.
  

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Reply #52 - 03/03/08 at 20:19:21
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Question for everyone: how are you pitting your Dutch, how do you work with opening theory, middlegame?
  
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Reply #51 - 02/29/08 at 07:48:09
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HgMan wrote on 02/29/08 at 01:06:46:
and looney claims that the better chess player always wins.


The hustlers aren't popular today any more, more and more they are experiencing brain-wash.

  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #50 - 02/29/08 at 05:21:42
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If you go on the ChessBase report for Linares, Round 8, you will see a photo of Levon Aronian suggesting to Peter Leko before the game to play 1...a6. Enough said Grin
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #49 - 02/29/08 at 02:30:50
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HgMan wrote on 02/29/08 at 01:06:46:

I think this officially rates as one of the most ridiculous threads in some time.  We have a Hans Berliner-type expounding on the hyper-theoretical; 347 people insisting that the Leningrad Dutch is unbeatable; and looney claims that the better chess player always wins.  What happens if I lose two games and then win the third against the same opponent?

Your opponent will have a bad temper.

HgMan wrote on 02/29/08 at 01:06:46:

Am I now the better player or only one-third as good?

Yes, you will need brain surgery to find out which is the better part.

HgMan wrote on 02/29/08 at 01:06:46:

What is 100% preparation anyway??

If Kasparov had known the answer he still would be WCh ....
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #48 - 02/29/08 at 01:06:46
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I think this officially rates as one of the most ridiculous threads in some time.  We have a Hans Berliner-type expounding on the hyper-theoretical; 347 people insisting that the Leningrad Dutch is unbeatable; and looney claims that the better chess player always wins.  What happens if I lose two games and then win the third against the same opponent?  Am I now the better player or only one-third as good?  What is 100% preparation anyway??  Other than impossible, of course...
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #47 - 02/28/08 at 18:33:22
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As you have certainly heard, and I'll repeat, the better player wins, the better player has studied middlegame motives more prudently, strategical and tactical issues are resolved and ready to be used in practice.

If I'm 100% prepared in Leningrad Dutch who can beat me? 

So everything is in preparation, nevertheless an opening issue is very important, but for us amateurs it shouldn't have the first voice!  Cheesy

  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #46 - 02/27/08 at 19:18:50
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drkodos wrote on 02/27/08 at 15:59:53:

But, there is a difference between ambition and goal acquisition.   



Yes.  An MBA degree.
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #45 - 02/27/08 at 17:09:39
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From a purely empirical standpoint, both the Grunfeld and the Dutch can make no claims to being the best, if we define "best defense" as the one that makes losing the most remote possibility.  The word "defense" means "capability of resisting attack."  Instead, the Grunfeld & Dutch are counter-attacks, and not defenses at all.   


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Yes you're right! Viva la Leningrad Dutch!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #44 - 02/27/08 at 16:44:06
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drkodos, I agree with what you're saying.

Some thoughts:

1) What is the goal to be acquired when playing the Grunfeld?  To me it is to make the game sharp, concrete, and psychologically difficult to face for the opponent.  I believe this is why Kasparov picked it up as a weapon vs. Karpov- to make him think concretely early on and raise the stakes of each move/decision.

2) Though I do like the Grunfeld, I actually like playing the white side of it more.  My favorite black setup vs. 1.d4 is the Nimzo Indian paired with the Semi Slav- mostly because of the richness, flexibility, and sublime blend of deep strategy with stunning tactics.

3) To me it is obvious that the NID and QID are the two defenses that make White gaining an advantage the most difficult.  That said, from a purely absolute and objective standpoint, I think chess is a draw.  I believe this is true even with defences like the Dutch and Grunfeld, though some might disagree.

4) I think the terms "attack" "defence" and "counter-attack" are just narrative labels humans use to enhance the game.  Really there are just moves that improve your position, or moves that worsen your position.  This is an other debatable topic, I will concede.
  
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