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King's Indian    
  17 (6.9%)
Queen's Indian    
  3 (1.2%)
Slav and Semi-Slav    
  57 (23.3%)
Gruenfeld    
  9 (3.7%)
Dutch    
  92 (37.6%)
Benoni    
  0 (0.0%)
Volga/Benko Gambit    
  1 (0.4%)
Queen's Gambit    
  16 (6.5%)
Nimzo Indian    
  41 (16.7%)
Budapest Gambit, Chigorin and other    
  9 (3.7%)




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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #73 - 03/17/08 at 03:25:46
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drkodos wrote on 03/17/08 at 01:22:43:
J-dog wrote on 03/16/08 at 23:20:48:
drkodos wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:34:45:



"Numbers cannot lie, only people."  ~ drkodos.


yes, and in a similar vein:
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."  

"...don't blame the tools."



More disimilar than similar.  Numbers can be incorrect because they are merely symbols that represent quantity.  Guns, while possibly symbols of a person's power and intent, are not merely symbols, they are tools, and neither a correct nor incorrect represenetation of a characteriostic known as "quantity."

Numbers are not tools; by definition.

The poll is 100 percent accurate in that it reflects what the people here actually voted.  Among those that voted, more people chose the Dutch.  Those are facts.

Now, the interpolation of those numbers into the larger chess community is where true artistic talent comes into play.   Cheesy  This is not the fault of the numbers, which merely represent (most accurately) one slice of reality.

And that reality is absolute and irrefutable:  People in this poll favoring the Dutch are mistaken.  Cheesy

In my opinion a tool is something you use to help you do something.  When you generate statistics, you do so in order to use that information. So the numbers become tools of evaluation and decision making. My comparison primarily concerns the misappropriaton of blame.
  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #72 - 03/17/08 at 01:22:43
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J-dog wrote on 03/16/08 at 23:20:48:
drkodos wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:34:45:



"Numbers cannot lie, only people."  ~ drkodos.


yes, and in a similar vein:
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."  

"...don't blame the tools."



More disimilar than similar.  Numbers can be incorrect because they are merely symbols that represent quantity.  Guns, while possibly symbols of a person's power and intent, are not merely symbols, they are tools, and neither a correct nor incorrect represenetation of a characteriostic known as "quantity."

Numbers are not tools; by definition.

The poll is 100 percent accurate in that it reflects what the people here actually voted.  Among those that voted, more people chose the Dutch.  Those are facts.

Now, the interpolation of those numbers into the larger chess community is where true artistic talent comes into play.   Cheesy  This is not the fault of the numbers, which merely represent (most accurately) one slice of reality.

And that reality is absolute and irrefutable:  People in this poll favoring the Dutch are mistaken.  Cheesy
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #71 - 03/16/08 at 23:20:48
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drkodos wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:34:45:



"Numbers cannot lie, only people."  ~ drkodos.


yes, and in a similar vein:
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."   

"...don't blame the tools."
  
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Reply #70 - 03/16/08 at 20:18:44
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SniperOnG7 wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:23:29:
rossia wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:05:51:

Thanks to all of you guys who helped in this statistical investigation.



"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain Grin

Even this is a lie, as Mark has learned it from others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_damned_lies%2C_and_statistics
  

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Reply #69 - 03/16/08 at 19:34:45
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SniperOnG7 wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:23:29:
rossia wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:05:51:

Thanks to all of you guys who helped in this statistical investigation.



"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain Grin



"Numbers cannot lie, only people."  ~ drkodos.

  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #68 - 03/16/08 at 19:26:09
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rossia wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:05:51:
Who is familiar with this repertoire books which gives Leningrad Dutch as main weapon:

An Aggressive Opening Repertoire for the Club Player
For both White and Black
by Nikolay Kalinichenko

Please visit for more information: http://www.newinchess.com/An_Aggressive_Opening_Repertoire_for_the_Club_Player-p...

PS The voting is over and the poll is closed. Thanks to all of you guys who helped in this statistical investigation.




Kalinichenko is like Schiller : he wrote much books, but all of them are craps. I have this one too, in russian language. If You are stronger than 1600 this book is waste of money.
  

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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #67 - 03/16/08 at 19:23:29
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rossia wrote on 03/16/08 at 19:05:51:

Thanks to all of you guys who helped in this statistical investigation.



"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain Grin
  
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Reply #66 - 03/16/08 at 19:05:51
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Who is familiar with this repertoire books which gives Leningrad Dutch as main weapon:

An Aggressive Opening Repertoire for the Club Player
For both White and Black
by Nikolay Kalinichenko

Please visit for more information: http://www.newinchess.com/An_Aggressive_Opening_Repertoire_for_the_Club_Player-p...

PS The voting is over and the poll is closed. Thanks to all of you guys who helped in this statistical investigation.

  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #65 - 03/13/08 at 13:40:04
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alumbrado wrote on 03/13/08 at 10:24:57:
Which part of "with the dynamic Leningrad Variation as Black's main weapon" was not clear?  Roll Eyes



Upsss sorry Smiley
Too much time in work Wink
So maybe someone can tell me which variation he recommend. Qe8 or c6?
  

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Which part of "with the dynamic Leningrad Variation as Black's main weapon" was not clear?  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #63 - 03/13/08 at 10:20:09
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rossia wrote on 03/13/08 at 08:55:43:
Thanks my friend.

Here is the announcement:

Play the Dutch
Thomas Rendle

There's no doubt that the Dutch Defence is one of Black's most enterprising answers to 1 d4. With his very first move Black strives to unbalance the position by adopting an asymmetrical pawnstructure, giving himself every opportunity possible to fight for the initiative from a very early stage - it's no surprise that the Dutch particularly appeals to ambitious players who are happy to do battle in complex positions.

In this book, Thomas Rendle tells you everything you need to know in order to play this opening successfully: the correct opening lines to choose; the fundamental ideas for both White and Black; the traps you can set and the pitfalls to watch out for; and the move order subtleties that play such an important part in the modern game. Rendle provides the reader with a comprehensive repertoire against 1 d4, with the dynamic Leningrad Variation as Black's main weapon. Read this book and play the Dutch with confidence!

    * An essential guide to the Dutch Defence
    * Offers a complete repertoire for Black against 1 d4
    * Contains additional suggestions against other first moves from White


Published August 2008 EU, September 2008 US | ISBN 9781857445763
Format Paperback, 192 pages



Good news!
Is this book about Leningrad system?
  

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Thanks my friend.

Here is the announcement:

Play the Dutch
Thomas Rendle

There's no doubt that the Dutch Defence is one of Black's most enterprising answers to 1 d4. With his very first move Black strives to unbalance the position by adopting an asymmetrical pawnstructure, giving himself every opportunity possible to fight for the initiative from a very early stage - it's no surprise that the Dutch particularly appeals to ambitious players who are happy to do battle in complex positions.

In this book, Thomas Rendle tells you everything you need to know in order to play this opening successfully: the correct opening lines to choose; the fundamental ideas for both White and Black; the traps you can set and the pitfalls to watch out for; and the move order subtleties that play such an important part in the modern game. Rendle provides the reader with a comprehensive repertoire against 1 d4, with the dynamic Leningrad Variation as Black's main weapon. Read this book and play the Dutch with confidence!

    * An essential guide to the Dutch Defence
    * Offers a complete repertoire for Black against 1 d4
    * Contains additional suggestions against other first moves from White


Published August 2008 EU, September 2008 US | ISBN 9781857445763
Format Paperback, 192 pages
  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #61 - 03/13/08 at 03:30:52
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This ought to make the people who voted in this poll happy:

http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=471
  

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Reply #60 - 03/12/08 at 14:56:40
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It would be much easier if I had asked about levels of play when I cretaed a poll.

So we have:

a) 1000-1600 Elo
b) 1600-2000 Elo
c) 2000-2200 Elo
d) 2200-2400 Elo
e) 2400-2600 Elo
f) 2600 Elo +++

I think that most of us ends in level c). This is the reason why I use Leningrad Dutch in my slaughterhouse.  Grin Grin Grin
  
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Re: What is the best defence against 1.d4
Reply #59 - 03/07/08 at 06:58:17
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Someone asked what we might expect to learn from this poll.  I have learned that there are a lot of players who don't play what they consider the best move, and their idea of the best move (the Dutch) is not considered to be the best by the top players who play it! 

Embarrassed

I guess the comments about top players moving in herds applies to the rest of the chess community.   

Mooo!
  
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