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4 f3 exf3 5 Qxf3, Ryder Gambit    
  7 (14.6%)
4 f3 exf3 5 Nxf3 Blackmar-Diemer Gambit Accepted    
  22 (45.8%)
4 Bg5, Blackmar-Popiel Gambit    
  6 (12.5%)
4 Nge2    
  2 (4.2%)
4 Qe2    
  2 (4.2%)
4 f4    
  1 (2.1%)
4 g3, with a later Bg2    
  1 (2.1%)
4 Qd2, with idea 5 b3, 6 Bb2, 7 0-0-0    
  4 (8.3%)
4 f3 exf3 5 Be3!?    
  2 (4.2%)
4 d5    
  1 (2.1%)




Total votes: 48
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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  is...?
Reply #47 - 03/20/08 at 12:37:26
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Gambit wrote on 03/19/08 at 20:20:15:
Hey, GM Kosten,

I'm curious as to your logic. As Mr. Spock would say, fascinating. You deleted some of my comments, but not that of MNb? What gives?

Not true, I deleted a few of both, but one of your most recent posts was the worst (in terms of insults) I have seen for a while. I don't really have time to moderate this board, so please, if everyone could show some self restraint? Thanks
  
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Reply #46 - 03/20/08 at 11:30:23
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Elephants are herbivores, Lev.
  
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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  is...?
Reply #45 - 03/20/08 at 06:37:50
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Hi,i think this will be great for me.Qd2, with idea 5 b3, 6 Bb2, 7 0-0-0 Smiley
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Reply #44 - 03/20/08 at 01:54:38
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Gambit wrote on 03/19/08 at 20:20:15:
Hey, GM Kosten,

I'm curious as to your logic. As Mr. Spock would say, fascinating. You deleted some of my comments, but not that of MNb? What gives?


Some self-awareness may help Lev.

Your comments/questions are, frankly, unceasing drivel.

kid at school:
'Look John I can wiggle my ears,... look Brian I can wiggle my ears, look John,.... oh ... you've seen it.'

MnB is usually very patient, even with foolish 'look at me' teens, and tries to be helpful to others.

To move forward
Suggest:
Take over less threads with your what do you reply to 1/2/3/4 ...g5/g4? type tosh.
Less polls.
Less 'coward' comments.
Restrain yourself to the BDG thread. 
Forums are give and take - help others. 


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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  is...?
Reply #43 - 03/20/08 at 00:54:18
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Very funny! I think there are enough chickens left in your posts, MNb, to feed a herd of elephants, three schools of orphans, and five pigs for a year.

Mmm... MNb has delicious chickens!
  
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Reply #42 - 03/20/08 at 00:23:48
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Dunno Lev, but I think there are enough chickens left in your post to feed a dozen orphans several days.
  

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Hey, GM Kosten,

I'm curious as to your logic. As Mr. Spock would say, fascinating. You deleted some of my comments, but not that of MNb? What gives?
  
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Please do. Edit away the banality. And the US teenagers who splurge the stuff.

Cheers

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Reply #39 - 03/19/08 at 08:37:23
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I have edited a few of the nastier comments from some of these posts, and if necessary I will start editing some of the 'posters' too! Angry
  
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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  is...?
Reply #38 - 03/19/08 at 01:55:17
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MNb wrote on 03/19/08 at 00:59:16:
The parents of the kids here around cannot afford to pay me for chess lessons and certainly not in US-dollars.
If current trends continue, you might not want to get paid in U.S. dollars anyway.
  

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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  is...?
Reply #37 - 03/19/08 at 00:59:16
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Gambit wrote on 03/18/08 at 20:18:14:

Second, I am about to reply to your Danish Gambit. What was the move order, again? 1 e4 e5 2 d4 ed4 3 c3 dxc3 4 Nxc3 ? If I am not mistaken, that is the Goring Gambit, not the Danish Gambit. 

Göring himself invariably played 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Bc4 and not 5.Nxc3.
The move 4.Nxc3 first has been played at the first American Chess Congress by Meek against Morphy in the early 50's of the 19th century. Later it became Alekhine's choice. I am rather proud to be a chicken like this WCh.

Gambit wrote on 03/18/08 at 20:18:14:
I am sorry to hear you do not earn more than $450  per month. Perhaps you could be a chess tutor and earn some more $$ ?
I have a friend, a chess master, who teaches kids chess. It is his job, one that he has been doing for years, with success.

No need to be sorry, it's my own choice. The parents of the kids here around cannot afford to pay me for chess lessons and certainly not in US-dollars. I earn enough to have a decent life, but cannot afford luxury like playing you at ICC or subscribing at Chesspub. I would not say these are the most important goals of my life.

Gambit wrote on 03/18/08 at 20:18:14:

I recommend that you use, if possible, your college's computer lab. I happen to be an alumnus of Rutgers University, and therefore use the computer lab when playing chess. Costs me nothing, really.
Can you do the same with your school?

No, but possibly in the near future (later this year). I will let you know. That will solve the telephone bill problem. But my two other conditions remain.

Gambit wrote on 03/18/08 at 20:18:14:

You say I lack courage?

Yep, no matter how often you play the BDG against Kramnik, you suffer from siliconphobia. And phobia means fear. You are afraid, trembling from fear only by reading the c-word.

Sorry if my writing is a bit confusing, English is not my first language. Still, I repeat, you understood the ICCF time controls very well.

So long, annoying, funny, siliconphobian, long time control averse yellow chicken with a pighead! (I am pretty sure you're going to win this contest, but I am very curious how you are going to expand this.)
  

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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6
Reply #36 - 03/18/08 at 23:36:44
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Gambit wrote on 03/18/08 at 23:00:15:

Hmm... Okay, thanks for the clarification, SWJediKnight! See, I always thought that 5 Bc4 cxb2 6 Bxb2 was the Danish Gambit! At least that is what the chess books I have say.


It can probably be argued either way, as the line starts off as a Goring, but does transpose directly to one of the main lines of the Danish.  I've even seen some articles call it a "Half-Danish" or "Danish with the Knights out"!

In Danish Dynamite they call it a Danish but point out that it is often reached via the Goring Gambit move order.  However, they do call 3 c3 dxc3 4 Nxc3 a variation of the Danish, while noting that in practice the two players usually throw in ...Nc6 and Nf3 at some stage which leads to a transposition to the Goring Gambit.
  
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Re: YOUR MOVE AFTER 1 d4 d6 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6  is...?
Reply #35 - 03/18/08 at 23:34:17
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Sacrificing a pawn with a move such as 2.e4 is not la lachete, but instead sciocco, unless your opponent is rated under 2300, of course...
  

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Reply #34 - 03/18/08 at 23:27:44
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I wasn't sure what move to play as White on move 4, and since 4.Ke2 wasn't given as an option, I voted for every single option. Because if White can play all of the aforementioned moves, then White should have tremendous compensation.
  

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Reply #33 - 03/18/08 at 23:00:15
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SWJediknight wrote on 03/18/08 at 20:52:48:
The Goring Gambit is 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 Nf3 Nc6 4 c3, when after 4...dxc3 White can still offer a second pawn with 5 Bc4 just like in the Danish.

4 Nxc3 is still a Danish Gambit, just offering the sacrifice of one pawn instead of two.  That line does usually transpose to the Goring at some point, but then again, if the game was to continue 4 Bc4 cxb2 5 Bxb2 Nc6 6 Nf3, we'd also have a position often reached from the Goring Gambit (see 5 Bc4 above)

There's no way a move like 4 Nxc3 is "cowardly"- I mean, the Danish is one of the most speculative gambits around.  It's like saying that after 1 d4 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 exf3, 5 Nxf3 is cowardly, sacrificing only one pawn, and a brave man would choose 5 Qxf3 (inviting Qxd4) or even 5 Bf4 fxg2 6 Bxg2.


Hmm... Okay, thanks for the clarification, SWJediKnight! See, I always thought that 5 Bc4 cxb2 6 Bxb2 was the Danish Gambit! At least that is what the chess books I have say.
  
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