(UTC)
  ChessPub Forum › Chess Publishing Openings › King's Indian › Classical › I lost my interest after this....
(Moderators: trw, Bibs)
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 12
Topic Tools
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) I lost my interest after this.... (Read 193087 times)
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #136 - 04/19/12 at 20:53:00
Post Tools
Stefan Buecker wrote on 04/19/12 at 07:29:56:
I am looking forward to the chapter on 1.Nf3 h6.


It doesn't get a chapter. It gets a foot-note.

And yes, it is taken very seriously, I just can't spend much space on it.
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
ErictheRed
God Member
*****
Offline


USCF National Master

Posts: 2534
Location: USA
Joined: 10/02/05
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #135 - 04/19/12 at 20:22:02
Post Tools
fluffy wrote on 04/19/12 at 15:00:34:
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/12 at 22:27:23:
A warning for those that intent to follow my advice and give their soul to the KID (a good thing to do if you are ambitious): If you use Vigorito, please check everything carefully. Lot's of good stuff, but some places are just bad. Some of his lines have been refuted more than 10 years ago.


I know you love to take shots at me, but if a 2100 is going to say such things, please provide details so I can at least humbly learn from you!


This wasn't directed at me, but as somewhat of a specialist in the 6.Bg5 Saemisch King's Indian for White, I didn't think the coverage there prepared Black for a lot of the plans at White's disposal (thankfully for me--I won an important game pretty easily that I later noticed followed your book for many moves, when I chose a different plan that wasn't covered).  For instance, I don't recall much mention of the "Yusupov plan" (as Gallagher put it) wherein White does not play a2-a4 at all, instead playing Ra1-c1 and b2-b3, allowing Black to expand on the Queenside with intent of blockading the further advance of his pawns.  There were a few other plans that I didn't see covered that have been played by the likes of Dreev and Yusupov.

In general I think you're an excellent author and you can't cover everything; just something I noticed because I'm very familiar with those positions.  I no longer own your book so I can't really comment on specific variations...


Edit: I'm going to leave this post, but I just realized that I was thinking of Victor Bologan's book, NOT Vigorito's.  I apologize for the confusion.  I'm leaving the post because someone might find it useful.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
fluffy
Senior Member
****
Offline


International Master

Posts: 250
Location: Boston
Joined: 08/01/05
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #134 - 04/19/12 at 15:08:55
Post Tools
I am reminded of Tiviakov's famous review of Dearing's Dragon book where he basically said, 'everything is wrong, but I am not going to say why.' Except that Tivi is 2690 or so...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
fling
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 1591
Joined: 01/21/11
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #133 - 04/19/12 at 15:07:05
Post Tools
fluffy wrote on 04/19/12 at 15:00:34:
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/12 at 22:27:23:
A warning for those that intent to follow my advice and give their soul to the KID (a good thing to do if you are ambitious): If you use Vigorito, please check everything carefully. Lot's of good stuff, but some places are just bad. Some of his lines have been refuted more than 10 years ago.


I know you love to take shots at me, but if a 2100 is going to say such things, please provide details so I can at least humbly learn from you!


And indeed this would be beneficial for those who have the books, and also provide a better way to critique an author (nothing about this particular case, it happens here in general, and I have certainly made such a statement too).
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
fluffy
Senior Member
****
Offline


International Master

Posts: 250
Location: Boston
Joined: 08/01/05
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #132 - 04/19/12 at 15:00:34
Post Tools
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/12 at 22:27:23:
A warning for those that intent to follow my advice and give their soul to the KID (a good thing to do if you are ambitious): If you use Vigorito, please check everything carefully. Lot's of good stuff, but some places are just bad. Some of his lines have been refuted more than 10 years ago.


I know you love to take shots at me, but if a 2100 is going to say such things, please provide details so I can at least humbly learn from you!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Stefan Buecker
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 1386
Location: Germany
Joined: 02/11/09
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #131 - 04/19/12 at 07:29:56
Post Tools
I am looking forward to the chapter on 1.Nf3 h6.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #130 - 04/19/12 at 00:43:26
Post Tools
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/18/12 at 09:00:24:
Hahaha, very quick answer BP! And it seems that you are ready to challenge Kotronias' statement in you 1.Nf3 book. I am eager to read it by the way.


Nah, I don't expect to refute any major opening or conclusively find a += that lasts forever.  I do expect to seriously challenge the KID, though (same is true with my approach to all major openings in the book). That's "more than nothing", but not necessarily "white will be winning now, please sign the score sheet so we can save our time". Without giving away details there are two lines I like the white chances in, but one of them will only get brief mention as an additional option for research by ambitious white players.

If there's one thing that's certain, it's that even unpopular openings often get quite close to equality.
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
WSS
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 273
Joined: 04/22/11
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #129 - 04/18/12 at 14:16:52
Post Tools
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/17/12 at 22:27:23:
If you want to play the KID at a high level these days you have to give your soul to it.


The KID is like a beautiful woman.  She will captivate you - but sometimes she will break your heart!   Wink
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Ametanoitos
God Member
*****
Offline


The road to success is
under construction

Posts: 1429
Location: Patras
Joined: 01/04/05
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #128 - 04/18/12 at 09:00:24
Post Tools
Hahaha, very quick answer BP! And it seems that you are ready to challenge Kotronias' statement in you 1.Nf3 book. I am eager to read it by the way.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #127 - 04/18/12 at 08:54:13
Post Tools
Ametanoitos wrote on 04/18/12 at 08:43:06:
Indeed, but he is an outstanding expert on the KID.


No doubts there, but still an optimistic fellow. Grin
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Ametanoitos
God Member
*****
Offline


The road to success is
under construction

Posts: 1429
Location: Patras
Joined: 01/04/05
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #126 - 04/18/12 at 08:43:06
Post Tools
Indeed, but he is an outstanding expert on the KID.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #125 - 04/18/12 at 02:10:44
Post Tools
Kotronias is quite the optimistic fellow. Grin
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Ametanoitos
God Member
*****
Offline


The road to success is
under construction

Posts: 1429
Location: Patras
Joined: 01/04/05
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #124 - 04/17/12 at 22:27:23
Post Tools
Actually i was ready to do it when i saw G.Jones discovering the way to deal with the fianchetto and after GM Kotronias said to me in Porto Carras during the European Team Championships that "White has nothing against the KID!", but later i changed my mind again. If you want to play the KID at a high level these days you have to give your soul to it. You could beat 2200s 10 years ago when i played this by following schemes and ideas, but today this is impossible as everybody is so well booked up. And as i work on openings for a lot of people i don't really have the time to devote my whole opening study to the KID at present. If Carlsen hires me (!!!) and wants me to prepare the KID for him for a World Ch match i'll study it again for the Black side. But i never see that happen frankly!!! Cheesy So, expect from me some more low-theory stuff (Queen's Gambits, Nimzos and stuff)

A warning for those that intent to follow my advice and give their soul to the KID (a good thing to do if you are ambitious): If you use Vigorito, please check everything carefully. Lot's of good stuff, but some places are just bad. Some of his lines have been refuted more than 10 years ago.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
WSS
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 273
Joined: 04/22/11
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #123 - 04/17/12 at 20:00:12
Post Tools
So, let's recap where we are 4 years after this fascinating thread started.  Nikos (OP) has co-written an excellent book on the Tarrasch and often plays the Semi-Slav as Black....  I guess he has not been convinced to return to the KID.   Wink

Bill
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
gewgaw
God Member
*****
Offline


I love ChessPublishing.com!

Posts: 687
Location: europe
Joined: 09/09/04
Re: I lost my interest after this....
Reply #122 - 04/14/12 at 19:59:47
Post Tools
Maybe 18.Bb4 is indeed better than 18.Be1.

I got the following game: 
Wagner - Bacrot, Deizisau 2012
with the same Rc6 idea:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5
Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Nd3 f5 11. Bd2 Nf6 12. f3 f4 13. c5 g5 14. Rc1 Ng6 15. Nb5
Rf7 16. Ba5 b6 17. cxd6 cxd6 18. Be1 a6 19. Nc3 a5 20. Bf2 Bf8 21. Nb5 g4 22.
Rc6 Bb7 23. Bxb6 Qb8 24. Bc7 Rxc7 25. Nxc7 Bxc6 26. Nxa8 Bd7 27. b4 Qxa8 28.
Qb3 Qa7+ 29. Kh1 Qe3 30. Nc1 Qb6 31. a4 axb4 32. Na2 gxf3 33. gxf3 Bh3 34. Rg1
Qf2 35. Bd1 Nh5 36. Qc2 Qh4 37. a5 b3 38. Qxb3 Ng3+ 0-1
  
The older, the better - over 2200 and still rising.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 ... 12
Topic Tools
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo
 
  « Board Index ‹ Board Top  

ChessPub Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2026. All Rights Reserved.

Valid RSS Valid XHTML Valid CSS Powered by Perl Source Forge