Normal Topic Question to Svidler-Sutovsky, ETCC 2007 (Read 3141 times)
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Re: Question to Svidler-Sutovsky, ETCC 2007
Reply #3 - 03/22/08 at 17:17:29
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Your right! 

Its  not only pest vs. cholera but also grandmaster brain vs. amateur brain - with 35...Kg8 Sutovsky made Svidler work whereas with my move the game would have finished much earlier. (Mental notice: dont make obvious moves without thinking  Huh)

Improve your rook endgames - here is Svidler-Sutovsky (some analysis are given in e4e5-section by GM Flear) from the position of the diagram:

35. Rf5+ Kg8 36. Rd5 Rb1+ 37. Ke2 Rb2+ 38. Kf1 Rb1+ 39. Ke2 Rb2+ 40. Kf3 Rd2 41. h4 Kf7 42. Rd7+ Kf6 43. g3 h5 44. Rd5 g6 45. Ke4 Rxf2 46. Kxd4 Rf3 47. Rg5 Rc3 48. Kd5 Kf7 49. Kd4 Kf6 50. a4 Rxb3 51. Kc4 Rb1 52. a5 b3 53. Kc3 Kf7 54. Rb5 Rg1 55. a6 Ra1 56. Rb6 g5
57. hxg5 Rg1 58. a7 Ra1 59. Rb7+ Kg6 60. Kb2 Ra6 61. Rb6+ Rxb6 62. a8=Q
  
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Re: Question to Svidler-Sutovsky, ETCC 2007
Reply #2 - 03/22/08 at 16:53:28
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Of course it is impossible to be 100% sure what somebody thinks during a game except if you ask the person himself but I believe with reasonable certainty that the analysis below gives the reason.

35. ..., Ke7 36. Rd5, Rb1+ 37. Ke2, Rb2+ 38. Kf3, Rd2 39. Re5+, Kd6 40. Re2, Rd1 41. Ke4 and likely a won endgame for white.

With 35. ..., Kg8 black avoids the trick with 39. Re5 but leaves of course the king in a very passive position.

Well I've the feeling it is like choosing between the pest and the cholera.
  
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Re: Question to Svidler-Sutovsky, ETCC 2007
Reply #1 - 03/22/08 at 16:23:52
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35...Ke7 seems more logical than 35...Kg8.  From e7, I suppose the black king could harass the rook on d5 (...Ke6).  Although this might offer more resistance, it doesn't look like a critical decision to me.  The passed d-pawn is Black's only trump in this position, but he can't prevent it from falling.  It looks like a difficult ending for Black to hold in any event.

However, I can't see any reason to actually prefer 35...Kg8.  It's an odd looking move (at least to my eye).
  

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Question to Svidler-Sutovsky, ETCC 2007
03/22/08 at 09:32:35
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Hi chessfriends,

playing through the excellent games of the latest update on chesspub 1e4e5 "Open Ruy Lopez" I was a bit puzzled by the following desicion of Sutovsky:

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Sutovsky (Black) played here 35...Kg8. 

Hmm - without a thought I would have moved 35...Ke7

In the end Svidler won the rook endgame with excellent technique.

My question to the endgame experts:
Why do you think Sutovsky played Kg8?
  
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