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Re: Sources about Anti dutch systems?
Reply #9 - 04/13/08 at 11:04:24
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Re: Sources about Anti dutch systems?
Reply #8 - 04/12/08 at 19:34:00
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FischerTal wrote on 04/11/08 at 22:10:23:
Thanks blackwidow, i figured kindermann was the book to get.
how often do you get the various types of replies? I only used to get the staunton on line and figure about 50% g3 40%bg5 or nc3 10% other.

There is a huge difference between playing on-line or playing on the board.

On-line I see a lot of staunton gambits, 2 Bg5, 2 Nc3, and 2 Nf3 in combination with e3 and the bishop developed to f4, g5 or b2.

On the board I see a lot of Nh3 fianchettos, double fianchetto's and fianchetto's with c3. And early b4.

The main line is relatively little. Mostly d5 and Re1 (in the Qe8 Leningrad), and ofcourse the double fianchetto.
  
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Re: Sources about Anti dutch systems?
Reply #6 - 04/12/08 at 16:01:29
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rossia wrote on 04/12/08 at 05:14:34:
I have KIndermann's book, it's really excellent.



I just ordered the book and must admit I did so because of all the positive raves I have read about it here on ChessPub.

I am mainly fascinated by the huge discrepancy between OTB & CC play with regards to the popularity of this line. Because I just started down the CC path myself, I felt it would be a good addition for those occasions when I might cross paths with the dutchie.

I am looking forward to it because if it is even half as good as so many say, it will be very good indeed!
  

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Re: Sources about Anti dutch systems?
Reply #5 - 04/12/08 at 15:39:57
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Kindermann's book is really excellent.
You can also have a look at New in Chess' Yearbook 85 (2007). There is an intersting article about the "early dutch sidelines".
http://www.newinchess.com/Yearbook_85__2007_-sy-72.html
  

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I have KIndermann's book, it's really excellent.

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Reply #3 - 04/11/08 at 23:56:12
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I searched for Dutch Defence games in TWIC 700 between players rated over 2500, and found the following game:

Atalik,S (2597) - Gurevich,M (2607) [A87]
ch-TUR Ankara TUR (4), 26.03.2008

1.c4 f5 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 g6 5.g3 Bg7 6.Bg2 0-0 7.0-0 Qe8 8.d5 Na6 9.Rb1 c6 10.b4 Bd7 11.dxc6 bxc6 12.b5 cxb5 13.cxb5 Nc5 14.a4 h6 15.Nd4 Nfe4 16.Nxe4 Nxe4 17.Bb2 Rc8 (the first new move; instead the immediate 17...Qf7 had been played) 18.Qd3 Qf7 19.Nc6 Bxb2 20.Rxb2 Bxc6 21.bxc6 Rxc6 22.Bxe4 fxe4 23.Qxe4 Rc4 24.Qe3 Rxa4 25.Rb7 Re8 26.Qxh6 Re4 27.Qd2 Ra8 28.Qd3 Qe6 29.e3 Kf7 30.Rc1 a5 31.Rcc7 Re8 32.Rb6 Rd8 33.Ra7 Re5 34.Rb5 Rxb5 35.Qxb5 Rc8 36.Rxa5 Rc1+ 37.Kg2 Qe4+ 38.Kh3 Qe6+ 39.Kg2 Qe4+ 40.Kh3 Qe6+ 41.g4 Rc5 42.Qb4 Rc4 43.Qxc4 Qxc4 44.Kg3 d5 45.Ra7 Qb3 46.Kg2 g5 47.h3 Kf6 48.Ra6+ e6 49.Ra7 e5 50.Ra6+ Kf7 51.Rd6 Qc4 52.Kf3 Ke7 53.Rh6 Qe4+ 0-1

A good win by Gurevich in a line I had considered slightly better for White. As it turns out, 12.Qb3! scores very well in practice and indeed looks at least slightly better for White.
  

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Re: Sources about Anti dutch systems?
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Thanks blackwidow, i figured kindermann was the book to get.
how often do you get the various types of replies? I only used to get the staunton on line and figure about 50% g3 40%bg5 or nc3 10% other.
  
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Re: Sources about Anti dutch systems?
Reply #1 - 04/11/08 at 20:48:28
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I have both Andrew Martins video and his booklet on anti dutch systems.

Without exception, all old sources on anti-dutch systems are out of date. Only 3 books, touch the critical anti-Dutch systems, Kindermann (Leningrad System), Beim (Understanding the Leningrad Dutch) and McDonald (Starting out the Dutch Defence)

McDonald has a nice and quick introduction into the Dutch. Kindermann is most decent in giving an anti anti-Dutch reportoire. And Beim is a good addition with additional idea's to the Kindermann reportoire.

So if you want to play the Leningrad, the choice is simple. Buy Kindermann, and if you have money left, Beim is nice also.

If you want to play another system, it is hard. No single book gives you a reliable reportoire, so you need a mixture of books.

In my opinion, there is no good anti-Dutch book available, which gives an up-to-date overview of all lines.

1 Nf3 f5 2 d3 is awkward, if you are surprised behind the board. I always avoid the 1 Nf3 tricks by 1 Nf3 d6 2 e4 (or d3) c5 and I play a Najdorf. On other moves I play f5 and a Leningrad dutch.
  
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04/11/08 at 18:23:23
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has anyone seen AndrewMartin's video on Anti dutch systems, I guess it is a bit out of date any way.

Is there any other good source for the Dutch player on how to combat the various systems?

I am coming back to playing after about 5 years off, was 170 BCF (=2100 elo?) And am considering Dutch Defence I had decent record with dutch, but always felt I was weakening squares from move 1.

Also is it right that 1nf3 f5 2. d3 is now awkward for black?
  
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