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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #7 - 05/08/08 at 23:30:45
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After 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.g3 Nf6 4.Bg2 Be7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.0-0 a5 7.d5 Black has two decent options:
a) Na6 8.Nc3 Nc5 9b3 Nfe4
b) Bc5 8.Nc3 Qe7 9.Bf4 Na6 10.Na4 d6 11.Nxc5 Nxc5 12.dxe6 Bxe6 13.Rc1 Nfe4 =Arkell-Rogers,2004.

White's best might be 7.Nc3 c6 (there are move order issues here) 8.b3 Na6 and Black keeps both options Qc7 and Qe8 open. Black also can follow Williams' recommendation 8...Ne4.
  
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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #6 - 05/08/08 at 08:31:28
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Yes MNb I tend to agree with your comments having looked at the position in a) again.

One further question. Should black attempt to avoid this line by playing an early 6..a5 instead of 6...d6. Is the critical line after 6...a5 7,d5. If so how should black proceed from here?

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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #5 - 05/08/08 at 02:52:37
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To me it seems that Black's knights are misplaced on a6 en c5 in line a. Also on principled grounds I dislike the idea of exchanging an important centre pawn (e5) againt one on the wing (b4). Iirc statistics are so bad for Black that I did not care to look any further. I may be prejudiced of course.
  
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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #4 - 05/07/08 at 07:44:00
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Hi MNb

I understand your comments.

Seems to me that Black has two options at this point:-

a) The first is to play for ...e5. One example is Addison-Hanley GB Ch 2003. After 7,b4 c6 8,a4 e5! 9,dxe5 dxe5 10,Nxe5 Qxd1 11,Rxd1 Bxb4 12,Nd3 Be7 13,Nc3 Na6 14,Rb1 Nd7 15,Be3 Ndc5 16,a5 Re8 and black seems to be doing ok.

b) The second option is the one MNb dislikes and is the one recommended by Williams in his book Play the Dutch. This is where black plays quite dynamically e.g. 7,b4 Ne4 8,Bb2 a5! 9, b5 (9,a3 axb4 10,axb4 Rxa1 11,Bxa1 and now maybe 11...Bf6 with the idea of ...e5 if 12,Qb3!? recommended by GM Davies in The Dynamic Reti would you believe! 12...b6 13,Nc3 Bb7 14,Nc3 Nxc3 15,Bxc3 and now 15...Be4 and black appears fine.) after 9,b5 black needs to be careful 9...a4 to hinder the development of white's knight (GM Williams) 10,Nfd2!? d5! 11,Nxe4 fxe4 12,Nc3 a3 13,Bc1 c6 and here I can see why MNb is concerned about the c8 bishop and how it can get into the game. 14,Qb3 Kh8 was played in the game Addison-R, Pert Hastings 2002/03 15,f3 was now played but maybe white should play something like 15,Bf4Nd7 16,Rac1 looks like an edge to white but maybe 16...Nb6 17,c5 Nc4 is unclear and so black is ok ish but that bishop on c8?.

Well I am not sure which line I would play. Seems to me that line a) looks the safer bet.

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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #3 - 05/03/08 at 12:16:16
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This early queenside attack is one of the three critical variations of the IZ. This means that it's judgment is decisive for the whole black system. In my opinion Black has only two options.
1. avoid it with 6...a5 iso 6...d6. White does not seem to have any better than the transposition 6...a5 7.Nc3 d6.
2. 6...d6 7.b4 Qe8 8.Bb2 Nc6 9.b5 Nd8 10.Nbd2 b6 (I lost to HgMan with 10...Qh5) and Black has to deal with 11.a4, 11.Ne1 and 11.Ng5.
I am not going to debate these lines as I might meet HgMan again in the future. Last point:
3. I absolutely don't like Williams' recommendation 6...d6 7.b4 Ne4 8.Bb2 a5 because of 9.b5. Williams does not tell his readers how to activate that bishop on c8. In my opinion Black is seriously behind in development. As White also has more space he must have a substantial advantage.
  
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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #2 - 05/03/08 at 09:23:06
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I think Davies recommends this in his Dynamic Reti book. As usual, I think the standard recipe is to play ...Ne4 here, possibly inserting ...a5, too.
  
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Re: Early b4 in Classical Dutch
Reply #1 - 05/03/08 at 09:14:45
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I do not have Kindermann's bookunder eye now, but I remember he wrote something as: going for e5 as soon as possible (responding to a wing attack with an attack in the center).
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Early b4 in Classical Dutch
05/03/08 at 07:46:38
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This post is to all Classical Dutch Experts

1,d4 f5 2,c4 e6 3,Nf3 Nf6 4,g3 Be7 5,Bg2 0-0 6,0-0 d6 7,b4!?

A number of very strong players as white have played this move. Can you give me some guidance please on how black should react to this annoying idea.

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