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Re: "Nimzowitsch" Defence 1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5!?
Reply #5 - 05/04/08 at 13:18:35
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Thanks for these comments. Looks like I'll have to get hold of Bucker's book -- I didn't know about this transposition.

I'd love to get on to discussing concrete moves/lines. Maybe SWJediknight (or TopNotch?  Wink) could propose a line that might set Black the biggest challenge?

(Re Forum placement -- moving this thread to 1 e4 e5 is logical in a sense, but it might get seen by fewer interested members? The 1 e4 ... Forum would be my own choice, but I don't really mind which Forum it's in as I think a case can be made for several.)
  
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Re: "Nimzowitsch" Defence 1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5!?
Reply #4 - 05/04/08 at 12:47:57
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Danish Dynamite doesn't give much guidance on the deviation 1 e4 e5 2 d4 Nc6, merely saying "White can transpose to the Scotch or play 3 dxe5 or 3 d5."

There's quite good coverage of 3 dxe5 in Stefan Bucker's Englund Gambit book (as the position also arises from 1 d4 e5 2 dxe5 Nc6 3 e4) in which he concludes that Black has a playable game but White has the edge after 3...Nxe5 4 Nf3 or 4 f4.   

Looking over the lines with Fritz I prefer the White position more after 4 f4 than 4 Nf3 as White takes more space in the centre, but that may be a matter of taste.  Anyways I'm with Bucker on this one, I think White has some advantage in this line of the Nimzo, but nothing too serious.
  
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Re: "Nimzowitsch" Defence 1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5!?
Reply #3 - 05/04/08 at 11:15:51
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Michael Ayton wrote on 05/04/08 at 08:13:33:
I've used quotes above because Nimzowitsch never played this. Its themes and texture are quite different from those of the 2 ...d5 lines. It's sometimes called the Kevitz-Mikenas Defence, and some sort of renaming is, if you ask me, long overdue.

Of course this line is part of the Danish Gambit theory; 1.e4 e5 2.d4 Nc6 has been played before Nimzo was even born. So if you really want to know about this you should consult Danish Dynamite. If you have a little patience instead I will look it up for you.

Can this thread be transferred to the Open Section?  Wink
  

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Re: "Nimzowitsch" Defence 1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5!?
Reply #2 - 05/04/08 at 10:58:59
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Good to get the ball rolling Ivan -- thanks.

My main interest is in 4 Nf3 Bb4 5 c3 Nf3 (I don't quite trust Kevitz's ingenious 5 ...Bd6 -- maybe 6 Na3!?) 6 Qf3 Bc5. Then the main tries/lines seen in practice might be:

I  7 Be3(?!) Be3 8 Qe3 Nf6 9 Nd2 0-0 10 Bd3 Re8 11 0-0 d5

II  7 Bc4 Qf6 (8 Bf4 d6; 8 Be3 Qf3; 8 Qg3 Ne7)

III  7 Bd3 d6 8 Nd2 Ne7 9 b4 Bb6 10 Nc4 0-0 11 0-0 Be6

IV  7 b4 Bb6 ([i]or[/i] 7 ...Be7 8 Bc4 Bf6) 8 Nd2 Ne7 9 a4 ([i]or[/i] 9 Nc4 0-0 10 c4? d5) a6 ([i]or[/i] 10 ...c6!?)


All responses eagerly awaited!


  
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Re: "Nimzowitsch" Defence 1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5!?
Reply #1 - 05/04/08 at 09:43:09
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3.de5 Ne5 4.Nf3 looks better for White in my view. For example, 4...Qf6 5.Ne5 Qe5 6.Bd3 +=. Obviously Black doesn't have to play 4...Qf6, for example 4...Nf3 is a possibility, and even 4...Bb4 5.c3 Bd6 is interesting. However, objectively White's position is to be preferred.

Note that 3.d5 Nce7 is by no means bad for Black, since he retains the option of ...f5 instead of the usual ...Nf6.
  
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"Nimzowitsch" Defence 1 e4 Nc6 2 d4 e5!?
05/04/08 at 08:13:33
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I've used quotes above because Nimzowitsch never played this. Its themes and texture are quite different from those of the 2 ...d5 lines. It's sometimes called the Kevitz-Mikenas Defence, and some sort of renaming is, if you ask me, long overdue.

Of course, White can transpose play into the Scotch complex with 3 Nf3, but the critical attempts to call the defence into question begin with 3 dxe5 and 3 d5. In another thread, TopNotch claims that this defence is "unsustainable rubbish" and that its adherents ought to give it up and play something more mainstream. So I'm issuing him with a challenge -- where is this serious advantage for White, that in this line (as opposed to the 2 Nf3 line) Tony Miles's opponents apparently could not find?  Smiley


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