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Re: Flexible French
Reply #50 - 09/03/08 at 09:39:13
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Well the blurb calls it a 'revolutionary repertoire book' but of course it's hardly the first or last book with misleading advertising! Doesn't stop it being annoying Smiley There have also been quite a few people talking about it as a repertoire book here so it seemed worth making the point.

I'm afraid that I've left my copy with my brother to read so had to go from memory.  Nice to hear it wasn't as bad as I remembered. 

Yes the commentary does makes it very clear - which is probably why the mismatch between the symbols and the commentary struck me so much. More of an editorial thing this of course. 
(Even !? & ! doesn't really reflect the commentary.). 

I guess I'll have to try rereading it. Maybe it caught me on a bad day or something Smiley


In answer to Ghenghis Clown - Moskalenko doesn't really advocate specific lines in detail as such. He gives interesting games with some analysis, grouped in certain systems.

Useful as ideas for constructing a repertoire around but there's no comprehensive repertoire to bust like there is in PTF. 
(I must admit that the main line given there in the 7.. o-o Winaver isn't exactly healthy.).

I must admit that the French is well suited to this kind of treatment.
  
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Re: Flexible French
Reply #49 - 09/03/08 at 07:43:56
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ghenghisclown wrote on 09/03/08 at 05:55:04:
This is all very interesting...but it would be a lot better with some specifics...especially what he suggests against 3.Nc3 ala Moro. I have both Watson books (I like Dangerous Weapons a whole lot better than PTF), but I thought only one of those books deserved the hype. So I'm skeptical...the best way to evaluate an openings book in my opinion is to see what it says against the most challenging system.

Take your pick, he suggests quite a lot against 3.Nc3. Over half the book deals with it. From the main lines 3..Nf6 (and how to beat Morozevich Wink) to some offbeat Winawer lines. In my personal opinion if you are a frenchie this book is preferable to Watson's PTF even if the latter would be completely up to date. Except for the Winawer (no poisoned pawn Sad) the variations that are covered are fundamental and greatly commentated. The only minus I find is that the last part is too light, but that only discusses sidelines. Imo it could have been exchanged for one chapter about a specific Winawer variation.
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #48 - 09/03/08 at 05:55:04
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This is all very interesting...but it would be a lot better with some specifics...especially what he suggests against 3.Nc3 ala Moro. I have both Watson books (I like Dangerous Weapons a whole lot better than PTF), but I thought only one of those books deserved the hype. So I'm skeptical...the best way to evaluate an openings book in my opinion is to see what it says against the most challenging system.
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #47 - 09/02/08 at 20:24:02
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MartinC wrote on 09/02/08 at 09:55:15:
Well actually I was slightly underwhelmed by the book. Interesting ideas yes and not a bad book but it didn't seem terribly sure what sort of book it wanted to be.

It sort of wants to be a repitoire book (blurb on back, some elements of the layout) but really it isn't. It also shows signs of wanting to be an ideas book like the Dangerous weapons series - those weapon markers for instance (which I found more annoying than anything esle) - but it's not really that either.

In essence it's a set of interesting annotated games loosely grouped by themes.  A bit like Ulhman's Winning the French in that sense I suppose. Hardly a bad thing of course! It's just that presenting it this way might have helped the book.

There were also some niggly things.  For instance - iirc - after 6 a3 c4 7 Nbd2 in the advance annotating 7..f6! in one game then 7 .. Na5! in the next with the comment next to it that it's the only sensible move.

Some pretty dogmatic looking assessments in places too: giving two positions in which draws were agreed a big advantage sign for black, a small advantage to black sign to a totally normal Bxf5 position in the advance etc. 
(the Budapest might need such things, the French doesn't.).

Still it's not a bad book and has plenty of interesting content to work with Smiley A bit overhyped though I think - I really do prefer Watson's books for instance.


I've had more than a look at this book. I've skimmed the whole of it and examined certain parts of it very carefully, and find I disagree with much of the above posting by the normally pretty astute MartinC..

First, it is clear that this is not intended to be a repertoire book. It is a resource book, mainly but not exclusively from the black side, much of it based on Moskalenko's own practice. By the way, it's repertoire, not repitoire, and Uhlmann, not Ulhman.

Second, authors deserve at least accuracy from critics who nitpick. After 6 a3 c4 7 Nbd2 in the Advance, Moskalenko gives 7..f6 the marking !? not !. It is only after the move 7 g3 that he gives 7...f6! His commentary makes clear his views in both cases.

Third, I find it a virtue rather than a criticism that Moskalenko sometimes expresses an opinion which goes against the prevailing orthodoxy. 

In the Advance, his experience and private study have led him to the belief that positions with BxNf5 ...exf5 are in general at least equal for Black. I suggest that his high rating and long experience of playing the French entitle him to express such an unorthodox view, and also entitle his opinions to be awarded a degree of respect by us mere amateurs.

As you will have guessed, I think this book is an extremely useful contribution to the literature on the French. I find it a generally honest book (although inevitably superficial in parts - it is not intended to be ECO after all) and certainly not one where the evaluations are skewed to sell more copies.

  
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Re: Flexible French
Reply #46 - 09/02/08 at 10:11:42
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I´ve had a look at Moskalenkos book and its a much better book than any of Watsons in my opinion - and I have them all. Watson is dilligent, but Moskalenkos evaluations and insights usually hit the spot - I cant say the same for Watson.
  
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Reply #45 - 09/02/08 at 09:55:15
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Well actually I was slightly underwhelmed by the book. Interesting ideas yes and not a bad book but it didn't seem terribly sure what sort of book it wanted to be.

It sort of wants to be a repitoire book (blurb on back, some elements of the layout) but really it isn't. It also shows signs of wanting to be an ideas book like the Dangerous weapons series - those weapon markers for instance (which I found more annoying than anything esle) - but it's not really that either.

In essence it's a set of interesting annotated games loosely grouped by themes.  A bit like Ulhman's Winning the French in that sense I suppose. Hardly a bad thing of course! It's just that presenting it this way might have helped the book.

There were also some niggly things.  For instance - iirc - after 6 a3 c4 7 Nbd2 in the advance annotating 7..f6! in one game then 7 .. Na5! in the next with the comment next to it that it's the only sensible move.

Some pretty dogmatic looking assessments in places too: giving two positions in which draws were agreed a big advantage sign for black, a small advantage to black sign to a totally normal Bxf5 position in the advance etc. 
(the Budapest might need such things, the French doesn't.).

Still it's not a bad book and has plenty of interesting content to work with Smiley A bit overhyped though I think - I really do prefer Watson's books for instance.
  
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Re: Flexible French
Reply #44 - 09/02/08 at 07:06:27
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It comes with a bonus win against Kasparov Wink
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #43 - 09/01/08 at 23:12:17
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Thanks
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #42 - 09/01/08 at 11:46:02
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ghenghisclown wrote on 09/01/08 at 10:53:44:
"My System in the Winawer "

What is Moskalenko's syetem in the Winawer?


From an earlier post in the thread: 
213 Chapter 8 - My System in the Winawer 
4.e5 b6 5.Qg4 Bf8!? 

  

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Reply #41 - 09/01/08 at 10:53:44
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"My System in the Winawer "

What is Moskalenko's syetem in the Winawer?
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #40 - 08/03/08 at 11:25:49
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Hello guys,
yesterday finally I got the book. Still i did not have enough time to check everything inside, but looks like a great book. Of course there are some lines which are not covered in deep enough details, but it is understandable that on 200-300 pages it is not possible to cover everything about the French Defence.
For now i discovered that Moskalenko proposes an interesting move order in one of my pet lines in Winawer. I will try to check my older analysis. 
Also French Advance is covered in depth (at least the most actual plans).
Till now did not check the other lines but only one which was of my interest - 7...Qb6 in the classical... And I am not happy. He just gives position after 12-13 moves stating that White is better, but in fact the struggle just begins...
Anyway, the book is very good and hope that will be difficult for us to find too much errors in it.

If somebody is interested in French Defence this book is a must buy. It really worths the money.

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #39 - 07/24/08 at 14:28:03
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Thanks.
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #38 - 07/24/08 at 12:09:59
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ghenghisclown wrote on 07/24/08 at 10:59:52:
Pray tell, is there something in the book dealing with the Exchange?

Not really. There is one game about a system with Nc6, but it isnt extensive. The gist of the book is the advance with c4, various lines vs the Tarrasch and in particular after 3.Nc3. So it isnt a repertoire and "easy lines" arent really covered (like the KIA and exchange), then again the coverage of the "real" lines is so interesting that you dont miss them. It is a bit like a games collection book with only games in particular lines.
  

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Reply #37 - 07/24/08 at 10:59:52
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Pray tell, is there something in the book dealing with the Exchange?
  

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Re: Flexible French
Reply #36 - 07/24/08 at 09:10:20
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ghenghisclown wrote on 07/18/08 at 09:01:49:
There's a thumbs up review at

http://www.chessvibes.com/reviews/review-the-flexible-french/

if anyone hasn't seen it yet.

I spent some days with it on holiday and second all the thumbs up. It is luckily not a repertoire book, but gives some very good discussion on topical or interesting lines (ie the move ..c4 in various lines). Also for whiteys and Watson adepts there is quite some interesting stuff. I particularly like the line he suggests for white against the classical. That's a line that could shellshock black and it isnt a line I was familiar with and I guess that goes for most Frenchies.
  

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