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Re: BEST ROOK ENDINGS BOOK
Reply #18 - 06/30/08 at 16:40:23
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rossia wrote on 06/30/08 at 15:47:15:
Thanks for reply Paddy  Cool

After studying above mentioned material one has to do some training.

This is best illustrated by Japanese saying: 

If I hear – I forget, if I see – I remember, if I do – I understand.

Then the best thing would be to play all positions against Rybka (powered with tablebases) and the mastery of endgame is at your home door!!!


You're welcome, Rossia. Good luck in your efforts! 

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/30/08 at 08:15:44:
There's a caveat to the classic work by Levenfish and Smyslov:  The English language version published by Batsford (1989, based on a 1971 Russian edition) has several weird mistakes.  It uses figurine algebraic, but swaps the King for Rook in several move sequences.

Having said that, it is still the gold standard for any endgame book, and especially for any single volume on Rook endings.  This is especially impressive considering its age!


Thanks for the tip, Smyslov_Fan - I guess I'll stick with my old 1971 Batsford hardback in descriptive notation.

Incidentally, as recommended by GM Jesse Kraai at chesslecture.com, I've started studying the book "Vasily Smyslov: Endgame Virtuoso", which contains 122 of the great man's endgames, plus 40 complete annotated games that result in endings - fantastic value! Not sure it's working yet though...!  Undecided  But if I rise above 2200 in the next twelve months I'll probably rename my handle to Smyslov_Fan II!   Smiley


  
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Re: BEST ROOK ENDINGS BOOK
Reply #17 - 06/30/08 at 15:47:15
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Thanks for reply Paddy  Cool

After studying above mentioned material one has to do some training.

This is best illustrated by Japanese saying: 

If I hear – I forget, if I see – I remember, if I do – I understand.

Then the best thing would be to play all positions against Rybka (powered with tablebases) and the mastery of endgame is at your home door!!!

  
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Reply #16 - 06/30/08 at 14:28:36
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rossia wrote on 06/30/08 at 12:38:07:
Paddy wrote on 06/30/08 at 10:47:39:
I have all of the works mentioned, apart from the Pinter, and more.


Well Paddy, since you have all mentioned books, can you say which is the best counting on quality, instruction, didactic etc?

By the way, your Elo is?


I very much agree with Stigma's comments on the list of specialized rook ending books in his posting of 06/22/08.

If it is of any interest, the endgame books I recommend to students are:

Endgames in Chess by Theo Schuster - a handy introduction to the basics of the endgame, small enough not to be intimidating to juniors. Can be picked up quite cheap on Amazon etc. The book is not perfect, but for several of my students it has been the beginning of a real interest in the endgame and the start of their independent study of endings.

Practical Rook endings - Mednis - fine up to about FIDE 2000 or until the student wants to know more.

Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual - probably all that most players will ever actually need.

Fundamental Chess Endings - useful for reference.

How to play chess endings - a good read, and great for technique, tricks of the trade.

We are fortunate that there are so many good books on the endgame these days, including some that look excellent but which I have not had time to evaluate properly yet, e.g. Flear's two recent large tomes. 

But different books appeal to different people; if a student prefers a different book from one I have recommended, then who am I to dissuade him or her? GM Nigel Davies once wrote that the one book on endings from which he felt he had learned the most was Znosko-Borovsky's old "How to play chess endings" first published around 1940!! Another GM once told me words to the effect of "stuff the books, just study the endgames of Ulf Anderssen!". Must do that one day...

De gustibus non est disputandum. Wink

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Reply #15 - 06/30/08 at 12:38:07
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Paddy wrote on 06/30/08 at 10:47:39:
I have all of the works mentioned, apart from the Pinter, and more.


Well Paddy, since you have all mentioned books, can you say which is the best counting on quality, instruction, didactic etc?

By the way, your Elo is?
  
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Reply #14 - 06/30/08 at 10:47:39
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I have all of the works mentioned, apart from the Pinter, and more.  Like many others at this forum, apparently, I used to have the subconscious belief that "just one more book and I'll have cracked it". A sadder and a wiser man, I now realize that in the study of chess, quality is far more important than quantity.

Nearly all the books in the list are useful, in varying degrees, but it depends what you want to achieve in studying them.

For the practical player, IMHO the section on rook endings in Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual is probably about as good as anything else. It's got a careful selection of material, tried and tested on his students and chosen from the point of view of long-term practical usefulness. It also contains some recent(ish) discoveries in rook ending theory.

BTW, as I suggested in an earlier, post, the practical player should not overestimate the amount of endgame theory needed. There is a 2500 at my club who made IM without knowing much more rook ending theory than the Philidor and Lucena positions and the principle of rook activity. Only later did he begin to study the endgame in more depth (using Dvoretsky).

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Re: BEST ROOK ENDINGS BOOK
Reply #13 - 06/30/08 at 08:15:44
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There's a caveat to the classic work by Levenfish and Smyslov:  The English language version published by Batsford (1989, based on a 1971 Russian edition) has several weird mistakes.  It uses figurine algebraic, but swaps the King for Rook in several move sequences.

Having said that, it is still the gold standard for any endgame book, and especially for any single volume on Rook endings.  This is especially impressive considering its age!
  
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Reply #12 - 06/28/08 at 11:31:03
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Markovich wrote on 06/28/08 at 01:42:01:
I have scant experience with these works, except for that of Levenfish and Smyslov, which I have studied and which I think is a very fine work.


Levenfish's book is certainly out of print. Where can I get it, or better said, does exists pdf version or something similar?

It's a bit strange: those classics aren't to be republished! But why not? I really do not understand why.
  
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Re: BEST ROOK ENDINGS BOOK
Reply #11 - 06/28/08 at 01:42:01
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I have scant experience with these works, except for that of Levenfish and Smyslov, which I have studied and which I think is a very fine work.  I also have Nunn's book on R+P vs. R, but I don't like it very much; although technically perfect, it is -- how to put this? -- bloodless.
  

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Reply #10 - 06/24/08 at 20:57:46
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rossia wrote on 06/24/08 at 17:02:44:
Can you sell them? Where do you live? How much in Euros?  Cool Cool Cool

I'm really not very interested in selling, at least until I have made some more use of them. And apparently they are getting quite rare.
If you can't find them in any other language, and you have a REALLY good offer, PM me and I will consider it.
  

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Re: BEST ROOK ENDINGS BOOK
Reply #9 - 06/24/08 at 17:02:44
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Stigma wrote on 06/24/08 at 14:37:32:
I picked up all 5 volumes of Comprehensive Chess Endings (the Pergamon edition from the mid-80s) on a special offer from Cadogan Chess (now Everyman) around 7 years ago. Because they could at that point no longer offer the complete set in either hardcover or softcover, I got all 5 for only £15! Two books are hardcover and three softcover, but at that price I can live with that, in retrosepct this was a HUGE bargain!  Smiley


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Reply #8 - 06/24/08 at 16:30:51
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Reply #7 - 06/24/08 at 16:22:31
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rossia wrote on 06/24/08 at 13:03:03:
As 2100 Elo player I don't need weak novice instructions, rather full-blooded theoretical work.

Thanks anyway for answers!



Well,  I would advise you even at 2100 not to underestimate the usefulness of knowing the basics (the most important few precise positions and the typical ideas and methods) of every type of ending really well and at the same not to overestimate the usefulness of knowing much more than that!

Testimony from a widely respected source:

"One should study relatively few positions, the most important and the most probable, but study and understand them perfectly. (...) Our basic theoretical knowledge must be easy to remember and comprehend."
and 
"Study of certain endgame types can be almost fully reduced to absorbing ideas (general principles, standard methods and evaluations) rather than to memorizing precise positions." 
Mark Dvoretsky

So I don't believe that studying the whole of a comprehensive specialist tome such as Averbakh's book on rook endings would be making best use of available time and energy. IMHO it is better to TRAIN in some way, i.e. learn actively, test yourself in some way, exercising the "chess muscles", rather than just make a passive study of positions that you are unlikely to need, and which will add little to your practical playing strength.

In my experience, even if they don't know it, the most serious weaknesses of 2000-2200s are in the middlegame rather than the ending. The middlegame is still where most games are decided.

But I guess each must find his own way, and I wish you luck in your quest!  Wink
  
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Reply #6 - 06/24/08 at 14:37:32
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I picked up all 5 volumes of Comprehensive Chess Endings (the Pergamon edition from the mid-80s) on a special offer from Cadogan Chess (now Everyman) around 7 years ago. Because they could at that point no longer offer the complete set in either hardcover or softcover, I got all 5 for only £15! Two books are hardcover and three softcover, but at that price I can live with that, in retrosepct this was a HUGE bargain!  Smiley

It seems the books in English are mostly out of print, though the London Chess Centre claims to have three of the volumes (not the Rook Endings one).

Rossia, with your name I wonder why you don't try to find the book in Russian instead? For example, I found the following by simply googling "Averbakh" and "Rook Endings":

http://www.chessdate.com/?cd=shop&pid=682
  

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As 2100 Elo player I don't need weak novice instructions, rather full-blooded theoretical work.

Thanks anyway for answers!

By the way, nobody mentioned where can we buy Averbakh's "Comprehensive Endings" editions. As I know Pergamon Chess doesn't exist any more.

I know that Convekta published all Averbakh's endings on a single CD, but I would like to have a book  Cheesy

Interesting. Nobody wants to republish and remake those classics.

What a shame!
  
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Re: BEST ROOK ENDINGS BOOK
Reply #4 - 06/24/08 at 09:39:30
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rossia wrote on 06/22/08 at 12:48:06:
Hello to everybody!

Can you please specify which is the best endgame books dealing with ROOK ENDINGS.



We have been here before! Please, will forum posters use the ""search" facility to check the archives before posting?

Here's my previous contribution which I hope some will still find useful:

Paddy wrote on 02/08/08 at 11:12:58:
saubhikr wrote on 02/08/08 at 04:37:49:
I am working on Rook ending (after losing few dozen won games). There are many books on this subject but unfortunately I do not much time to go through all. 

Can anyboody tell me what is the best source for Rook pawn ending - Minev, Mednis, Muller, Averback, Dvoretski or something else ?


IMHO successful study of the endgame involves two elements: 
a) study of a small (but growing as you get stronger) number of "precise positions" of each type of endgame (e.g. R+P, N+P etc.)
and
b) familiarity with (and increasing "feel" for)  the basic principles and methods of conducting endings which are not yet reducible to one of the "precise positions".

For R+P endings, I always suggest that students start with the little Mednis book, which covers the first few important precise R+P positions AND the main principles and methods, in a very user-friendly way. (Also it's is quite cheap!)

BTW, in his fine book "Chess Coaching", John Littlewood made a very useful small selection of "precise positions" in each type of ending that he considered  essential knowledge.

  
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