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Re: Playing Highly Theoretical Openings
Reply #5 - 08/08/08 at 07:11:25
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I'm certainly not as strong as most here, but I think that some "theoretical" openings still lend themselves to understanding while others really leave you hanging by a thread.  For example, the Ruy Lopez and the Queen's Gambit are both reasonably theoretical, but you probably don't need to know every single sideline to get a decent position.  The Botvinnik Semi-Slav is at the other end of the continuum - one misstep and you are finished.  I would say the Najdorf is somewhere in the middle.  Yes, it's theoretical and somewhat sharp, but it also can be played with a solid understanding of themes and attacking structures that generally arise (depending on the lines that Black choses).

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Re: Playing Highly Theoretical Openings
Reply #4 - 08/05/08 at 06:57:44
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exigentsky wrote on 08/04/08 at 03:57:23:
BTW: I suppose I'm also wondering if solid, balanced and not excessively sharp openings might not prove more consistently successful. In something like the Najdorf or Semi-Slav, you can make one wrong move and end up in disaster.

I think that is probably quite independent of the strength of opposition (at least as long as we don't manage to become GMs - it works pretty well at 2200 level) and is something that has been proposed e.g. by Palliser in his "Play 1.d4" book. To me this certainly makes sense, as long as one (a) likes the resulting not too sharp positions and (b) they are not completely unpromising (some lines are so theoretical, because they are ambitious...).
  
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Re: Playing Highly Theoretical Openings
Reply #3 - 08/04/08 at 20:08:05
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"Also I disagree that there's an inverse correlation between a player's propensity to prepare variations and his strength." I'm not claiming this.
  
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Re: Playing Highly Theoretical Openings
Reply #2 - 08/04/08 at 19:16:30
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exigentsky wrote on 08/04/08 at 03:57:23:
I've found that quite a few players in the 1500+ range know the main openings quite well. This is natural due to the importance of the positions, the large quantity of material and the frequency with which they occur. Like in computer chess, my guess is that staying in book longer tends to help the weaker player. Moreover, it seems more likely that an upset will occur since the weaker player may know that particular line extremely well and catch you in their preparation. In a sharp complicated position where one knows the moves and traps while the other is working it all out, this is possible. Although, I agree that stronger players are better overall and this is still unlikely. Finally, given the topical nature of the highly theoretical openings, they require more maintenance. Seeing masters like Mike Splane play a lot of offbeat stuff with great success at a club I frequent, I'm wondering if it's really worth playing highly theoretical openings like the Najdorf when there are far lesser known and analyzed sound alternatives. I suppose that once you go quite a bit above 2200, some of that offbeat stuff may not hold up so well, but below that, it looks like the most effective method in terms of both time and results.

BTW: I suppose I'm also wondering if solid, balanced and not excessively sharp openings might not prove more consistently successful. In something like the Najdorf or Semi-Slav, you can make one wrong move and end up in disaster.


Actually there is no clear correlation between an opening's topicality and its 'theoreticity,' if I may use that term.  Just look at the King's Gambit with 3...g5, for example.  For a few years  I've been dabbling in Alekhine's Defense, hardly a popular opening any more, but it is quite theoretical in many lines.

Also I disagree that there's an inverse correlation between a player's propensity to prepare variations and his strength.  It's a direct correlation, rather, or so I would argue.  There are of course very strong players that don't prepare much, but in general, the better players prepare more, or so I think.

One thing one does notice is that the strongest players don't usually give us amateurs a chance to play our prepared lines.
  

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Re: Playing Highly Theoretical Openings
Reply #1 - 08/04/08 at 09:38:10
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Well it might be different in other countries but in the UK I really don't think many people do know that much even at quite a high level. So much so that playing critical main lines has as much shock value as anything else....

In this case you might as well play good/interesting moves for as long as possible Smiley 
(If you get into a position where you both know who you're playing in advance it's a bit different of course.).

The situation might of course be rather different in other countries....
  
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Playing Highly Theoretical Openings
08/04/08 at 03:57:23
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I've found that quite a few players in the 1500+ range know the main openings quite well. This is natural due to the importance of the positions, the large quantity of material and the frequency with which they occur. Like in computer chess, my guess is that staying in book longer tends to help the weaker player. Moreover, it seems more likely that an upset will occur since the weaker player may know that particular line extremely well and catch you in their preparation. In a sharp complicated position where one knows the moves and traps while the other is working it all out, this is possible. Although, I agree that stronger players are better overall and this is still unlikely. Finally, given the topical nature of the highly theoretical openings, they require more maintenance. Seeing masters like Mike Splane play a lot of offbeat stuff with great success at a club I frequent, I'm wondering if it's really worth playing highly theoretical openings like the Najdorf when there are far lesser known and analyzed sound alternatives. I suppose that once you go quite a bit above 2200, some of that offbeat stuff may not hold up so well, but below that, it looks like the most effective method in terms of both time and results.

BTW: I suppose I'm also wondering if solid, balanced and not excessively sharp openings might not prove more consistently successful. In something like the Najdorf or Semi-Slav, you can make one wrong move and end up in disaster.
  
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