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Re: Exchange Slav repertoire with ...Ne4
Reply #4 - 08/14/08 at 14:57:10
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there is analysis on silman's site for this variation: http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_anlys/dont_forget_homework.html
  
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Re: Exchange Slav repertoire with ...Ne4
Reply #3 - 08/11/08 at 08:35:53
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One thing only recently realised was that black can play the "Kramnik" plan 7...Ne4 after 7.Rc1 too because if say 8e3 nxn 9 RxN? black has e5 followed by Bb4.
  
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Re: Exchange Slav repertoire with ...Ne4
Reply #2 - 08/11/08 at 05:56:47
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I'm not quite sure what some bits of the question are referring to, as you seem to mention e3 in some positions where it is inoffensive. If I assume you're aiming to play the Semi-Slav, I would think your main concern here is 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cd cd 5. Bf4. 
I notice that ECO (2004) seems to have a higher opinion of some of Black's possibilities there than NCO does, with 5...Qb6, 5...Nc6 6. e3 a6 and 5...Nc6 6. e3 Bf5 (which you want to avoid due to 7. Nf3) ending up as "equal" or "unclear" or "with compensation." One consideration is that 5...Nc6 6. e3 a6 7. Nf3 (ECO thinks Black can also equalize [or reach "compensation"] against other moves, though NCO doesn't) Bg4 seems better for Black than 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. cd cd 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 a6, where 7. Rc1 looks more challenging (ECO thinks it should be "+=," though NCO doesn't). 
  
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Re: Exchange Slav repertoire with ...Ne4
Reply #1 - 08/10/08 at 20:22:47
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(93255) Huzman,A (2580) - Shirov,A (2725) [D14]
Cesme, 2004
[Shirov,A]
92/371  1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 c6 3.c4 Nf6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Bb5 Nd7 9.Qa4 Rc8 10.Bxc6?! Rxc6 11.Qxa7?! Qc8 12.Qa5 Bd3!© [12...Ra6 - 46/483] 13.Kd2?! b6!!N [13...Ra6; 13...Bc4; 13...Ba6; 13...Bg6] 14.Qa7? [14.Qa4 b5!? (14...Rc4!? 15.Qa7! (15.Qd1 Qa6!©) 15...Bb4 16.Rhc1 Bg6!! (16...Be4?! 17.a3 Bxc3+ 18.Rxc3 Rxc3 19.bxc3 0–0 (19...Qc4? 20.Qxd7+ Kxd7 21.Ne5+±) 20.Bd6! Re8 (20...Qc4 21.Rd1!) 21.Qc7! Qa6 22.Qxd7 Qd3+ 23.Ke1 Qxc3+ 24.Nd2 Qxa1+ 25.Ke2 Ra8 26.Qc6 Rd8 27.Qxb6 Rc8 28.Qb7 Qc1 29.Nxe4 dxe4 30.Qxe4²) 17.a3 (17.Ke2 0–0 18.Kf1 Bxc3 19.Rxc3 Rxc3 20.bxc3 Qxc3 21.Re1 Qc6!³; RR17.Ne5!?) 17...Bxc3+ 18.Rxc3 Rxc3 19.bxc3 0–0ƒ …20.Nh4 (…20.Bd6 Re8΅) 20...Qc6 21.Nxg6 fxg6 22.Qc7 Qxc7 23.Bxc7 Rxf2+΅) 15.Qa5 Bc4! (15...b4? 16.Kxd3 bxc3 17.bxc3²) 16.Nxb5 Bxb5 17.Qxb5 Rb6 18.Qd3 Rxb2+ 19.Ke1 Nf6!³] 14...Bb4 15.Rhc1 Bb5!! 16.Kd1 [16.a3 Bxc3+ 17.bxc3 (17.Rxc3 Rxc3 18.bxc3 Qc4!–+) 17...0–0–+] 16...Bxc3 17.bxc3 [17.Rxc3 Rxc3 18.bxc3 Qxc3–+] 17...Ba6!!–+ 18.a4 [18.c4 dxc4 (18...Bxc4 19.Qa3 f6΅) 19.d5 Rc5!] 18...0–0 19.a5 [19.Ne1 e5! 20.Bxe5 f6 21.Bg3 Rf7] 19...b5 20.Ne1 [20.Ne5 Rc7] 20...g5! 21.Bg3 f5 22.Nd3 f4 23.exf4 Rc7 24.Qxc7 Qxc7 25.fxg5 Qc4 26.Nb4 e5 27.Nxa6 exd4 28.Nc7 dxc3 29.a6 Nc5 30.a7 Qf1+ 0–1

(94221) Lytchak,A (2436) - Dautov,R (2609) [D13]
Deutschland Deutschland, 2005
[Dautov,R]
Inf 93/(305) 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.c4 c6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 a6 7.Rc1 * 7...Nh5!? 8.Bd2 [8.Bg3 Nxg3 9.hxg3 e5!?; 8.Be5 f6 9.Bg3 Nxg3 10.hxg3 e5!=; 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bh4 g5=] 8...e6 [8...Nf6!?] 9.Ne5 [9.e3 Nf6 10.Bd3 Bd6 11.0–0 0–0=] 9...Nf6 10.Nxc6 [10.Bf4 Qb6 11.Nxc6 bxc6=] 10...bxc6 11.e3N [11.Na4! Ne4! (11...Bd7) 12.e3 Rb8 13.Bd3 (13.a3!?) 13...Nxd2 14.Qxd2 Bb4 15.Nc3 c5=] 11...c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Nb5?! [13.Bd3 0–0 14.0–0 Bd6=] 13...Ne4! [13...Bb6 14.Nd4 Ne4! (14...0–0 15.Nc6 Qd7 16.Bb4 Re8 17.Ne5 Qb7=) 15.Bd3 Nxd2 16.Qxd2 0–0 17.0–0 Bd7=] 14.Bd3 [14.f3 Nxd2 15.Rxc5 Nxf3+ 16.Qxf3 axb5 17.Bxb5+ Bd7 18.0–0 0–0 19.Bxd7 Qxd7 20.a3 Qb7–+] 14...axb5 15.Bxe4 Bd6! [15...dxe4 16.Rxc5 Rxa2 17.Qb1 Ra7 18.Qxe4 0–0 19.Qc2=; 15...Bxe3 16.Bxe3 dxe4 17.Qxd8+ Kxd8 18.0–0 Ke7 19.Rc7+ Kf6 20.a3© … f3] 16.Bd3 b4 17.Qb3 [17.Qg4? 0–0 …18.Bxb4 e5–+] 17...Rb8!³ [17...Qe7 18.Bb5+ Bd7 19.Bxd7+ Qxd7 20.Bxb4 Rb8 21.a3 Bxb4+ 22.axb4 Qb5 23.f3 0–0 24.Kf2 Qxb4 25.Qxb4 Rxb4 26.Rc2 Rfb8 27.Rb1³]  Line

(94222) Rustemov,A (2573) - Dreev,A (2705) [D13]
Dos Hermanas Dos Hermanas, 2005
[Rustemov,A]
Inf 93/305 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 a6 7.Rc1 Ne4 8.Ne5 Nxc3 9.Rxc3 Bd7 10.Nxc6!?N [10.e3 — 52/(373)] 10...Bxc6 11.a3 e6 12.e3 Be7 [12...Bd6²] 13.Bd3 g6 [13...0–0?! 14.Qc2±] 14.0–0 f6 [14...0–0!? 15.b4! (15.Qc2 a5! 16.Rc1 a4) 15...Qd7 16.Qd2 (16.Qc2!?) 16...Rfc8 17.Rfc1 Bd6 (17...Bd8 18.Qc2 …Ba4 19.Rxc8 Bxc2 20.Rxa8 Bxd3 21.Be5+-) 18.Bxd6 Qxd6 19.h4²] 15.Qg4 [15.b4!?; 15.Qe2! Kf7 16.Rfc1 Qd7 17.h4²] 15...Kf7 16.Rfc1 [16.b4! Qd7 17.Rfc1²] 16...a5!² Line

(94224) Lechtynsky,J (2476) - Haba,P (2520) [D14]
Cesko, 2004
[Haba,P]
Inf 93/306 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Qb3 Bb4 9.Bb5 0–0 10.0–0 Bxc3 11.Qxc3 Ne4 12.Qa3 Rc8 [12...Qb6 — 51/384] 13.Rfc1N [13.Rac1; 13.Bxc6 Rxc6 14.Qxa7 g5 (14...Qa8) 15.Bg3 Qa8 16.Qxa8 Rxa8=] 13...g5! 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Bg3 f6!? [15...h5 16.h4 g4 17.Ne5 c5!= …18.dxc5 Nxg3 19.fxg3 Qc7] 16.Qxa7 h5 17.h4 [17.h3 Nxg3 18.fxg3 Qd6 19.Kf2 Ra8 20.Qc5 Qxc5 21.dxc5 Rfb8 22.b3 e5 23.h4 g4 24.Nd2=] 17...g4 18.Nh2? [18.Ne1 Nxg3 19.fxg3 Qd6 20.Kh2 Ra8 (20...Qb4!?) 21.Qc5 Qxc5 22.Rxc5 Rfb8 23.Rxc6 Rxb2 24.a4=] 18...Nxg3 19.fxg3 Qd6 20.Nf1 Ra8 21.Qc5 Qxc5 22.Rxc5 [22.dxc5 Rfb8 23.b3 Ra3΅] 22...Rfb8 23.e4! [23.b3 Rxb3–+] 23...Bxe4 24.Nd2 [24.b3!? Rxb3 25.Nd2 Re3!΅] 24...Bf5 [24...Rxb2!? 25.Nxe4 dxe4 26.Rxc6 (26.a4 Rd8! …27.a5 Rxd4 28.a6 Rdd2 29.a7 Rxg2+ 30.Kh1 Rh2+ 31.Kg1 Rbg2+ 32.Kf1 Rh1+ 33.Kxg2 Rxa1 34.Rxc6 Ra2+ 35.Kf1 Kf7–+) 26...Ra3! 27.Kh2 Kf7 28.Rc7+ Kg6 29.Re7 Kf5 30.Rh7 (30.Rf1+ Rf3!–+) 30...e3 31.Rxh5+ Ke4 32.Rh6 Rf2–+] 25.b3 Rb4! [25...Ra3?! 26.Rxc6 Rb4 27.Nb1] 26.Rxc6 Rxd4 27.Nf1 Kf7 [27...Rd3!? …28.Rc7 Rxb3] 28.a4 Rd3 29.Rb6 [29.b4 Rb3 30.Rb6 Rc8 31.a5 (31.Ra2 Rc1 32.Kf2 d4–+) 31...Rc2 32.Rd1 (32.a6 Be4–+; 32.Re1 d4 33.a6 Rbb2 34.a7 Ra2 35.Rb7+ Kg6 36.b5 Rxg2+ 37.Kh1 Rgb2 38.b6 e5–+) 32...Be4 33.Rd2 Rc1 34.Kf2 Rbb1 35.Ne3 d4–+; 29.a5 Rxb3 30.Rc7+ Kg6 31.a6 d4 32.Nd2 (32.a7 Rb2–+) 32...Rb2 33.Nc4 Rc2–+ …34.Nb6 Rxa6!] 29...Rc8!–+ [Χ g2] 30.Re1™ [30.Ra2 Rd1 31.Kf2 d4 32.Rd2 Rc2! 33.Rxc2 Bxc2 … ₯d3] 30...Be4 31.Kf2 f5 [Ή31...Rc2+ 32.Re2 Rdc3] 32.a5 d4 33.a6 Rc2+ 34.Re2 Rdc3 35.Rxc2 [35.Rd2 f4! 36.gxf4 g3+ 37.Ke1 Rc1+ 38.Rd1 (38.Ke2 Bf3+! 39.gxf3 g2) 38...Bf3!; Ή35.a7 Rxe2+ (35...d3 36.Rd2 Ra2!! 37.Rxa2 Rc2+ 38.Nd2 Rxa2 39.Ke3 Bxg2 40.Nc4 Kf6) 36.Kxe2 Rc2+ 37.Nd2 Ra2 38.Rb4! (38.Rd6 e5 39.Rh6 Bxg2 40.Rxh5 e4 … ₯f3) 38...e5 39.Ra4 Rxa4 40.bxa4 Bxg2 41.Nc4 Ke6 42.Nb6 f4 43.Kf2 Bc6 44.a8Q fxg3+ 45.Kxg3 Bxa8 46.Nxa8 e4 47.Nb6 e3 48.Nc4 Kd5 49.Nb2 Ke4 50.a5 d3 51.a6 e2 52.Kf2 g3+] 35...Rxc2+ 36.Ke1 Rc1+ 37.Ke2 d3+ 0–1

(94743) Marzolo,C (2388) - Fressinet,L (2627) [D13]
France (ch) France, 2005
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Bf4 Nc6 6.Nf3 a6 7.e3 Bg4 8.Bd3 e6 9.h3 [9.Qb3 — 62/(410)] 9...Bh5 10.0–0 Be7 11.Be2 Nd7N [11...0–0] 12.Ne1 Bg6 13.Bd3 Rc8 14.Bxg6 hxg6 15.Nd3 0–0 16.Qe2 Nb4 17.Rfc1 Qb6 18.Ne5 Nxe5 19.Bxe5 Nc6 20.Bg3 Na5 21.Nd1 Rc6 22.Rxc6 Qxc6 23.Qd2 Qa4 24.b3 Nxb3 25.Qc2 Nc5 26.Qb2 Ne4 27.Qxb7 Ba3 28.Bf4 Qa5 29.Kf1 Nd2+ 30.Ke2 Nc4 31.e4 Bd6 32.Bc1 dxe4 33.Qc6 Qb4 34.Qxa6 e5 35.Ne3 Nxe3 36.fxe3 exd4 0–1

(94857) Nataf,I.-A (2583) - Kogan,Ar (2580) [D14]
Montreal Montreal, 2005
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Bd3 Bxd3 9.Qxd3 Bd6 [9...Be7 — 34/452] 10.Bxd6 Qxd6 11.0–0 0–0 12.Rfc1 Rfc8 13.Ne2 Ne7 14.Rxc8+ Rxc8 15.Rc1 h6 16.h3 Rxc1+ 17.Nxc1 Qb6N [17...Qb4; 17...Qc6] 18.Qc2 Qc6 19.Qxc6 Nxc6 20.Nd3 Nd7 21.Kf1 Kf8 22.Ke2 Ke7 23.Nd2 b6 24.Nb1 Kd6 25.Nc3 a6 26.Na4 f6 27.f4 e5 28.fxe5+ fxe5 29.dxe5+ Ncxe5 30.Nf4 b5 31.Nc3 Nb6 32.b3 b4 33.Nb1 a5 34.Nd3 Nxd3 35.Kxd3 Nd7 36.Nd2 Nc5+ 37.Kd4 Ne6+ 38.Kd3 Nc5+ 39.Kd4 Ne6+ 40.Kd3 ½–½

(97654) Ivanchuk,V (2729) - Morozevich,A (2721) [D00]
Monaco (rapid) Monaco, 2006
Inf 97/(275) 1.d4 d5 * 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.cxd5 cxd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Nh5 7.Bd2 [7.Be5 — 82/336] 7...e6 8.e3 Bd6 9.Ne5 Nf6N [9...g6] 10.f4 0–0 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.0–0 b6 13.Be1 Bb7 14.Bh4 Ne4 15.Bxe4 dxe4 16.Qb3 Qe8= Line

(101390) Sarakauskas,G (2450) - Gurevich,M (2633) [D14]
Tromso 101/294 Tromso, 2007
[Gurevich,M]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bf4 a6 7.Rc1 Bf5 8.e3 Rc8 9.Be2 e6 10.0–0 Be7 11.Nd2 0–0 12.Nb3 Nd7 13.a3 [13.Na4 Nb4!?„] 13...b5!?N [13...Bf6] 14.a4 b4 15.Nb1 [15.Bxa6 bxc3 16.Rxc3 Bb4!? 17.Rc1 Nb6³] 15...Qb6 16.Bd3 Bxd3 17.Qxd3 Rfd8!? 18.N1d2 e5 19.dxe5 [Ή19.Bg3 Bf6 20.f4 exd4 21.e4©] 19...Ndxe5 20.Qe2 Bf6 21.Bxe5?! [21.Rc2!? …Na5 22.Rfc1 Rxc2 23.Rxc2 Nxb3 24.Bxe5! Bxe5 25.Nxb3 d4=] 21...Nxe5 22.a5 Qd6 23.Rfd1 [23.h3 Nc4³] 23...Rxc1 24.Rxc1 Nc4!³ 25.Nxc4 dxc4 26.Qxc4 Bxb2 27.Rf1 Bc3 28.g3 g6 29.Rb1 h5 30.Nd4 Qf6! 31.Nb3 Qf5 32.Rc1 Rd6 33.Qc5 Qd3 34.h4 Rf6΅ 35.Rf1 Rf5 36.Qc8+ Kg7 37.Nc1 Qd6 [37...Qc2!? 38.Qc4 Rxa5–+] 38.Nb3 Qd5 [38...Be5!–+] 39.Nd4“ [39.e4!? Qxe4 40.Qxa6 Qd5 41.Rb1΅] 39...Bxd4 40.exd4 Qxa5–+ 41.Rc1 b3 42.Qb8 Qd2 43.Rf1 b2 44.Qb6 Rb5 0–1

(101391) Ivanchuk,V (2787) - Bruzon Batista,L (2607) [D14]
Merida (m/2) 101/(294) Merida, 2007
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 a6 8.Rc1 Rc8 9.Be2 e6 10.0–0 Bd6 11.Bxd6 Qxd6 12.Qb3 Rc7 13.Na4 0–0 14.Nc5 Rb8 [14...Qe7] 15.Rc3 Bg4 16.h3 Bxf3 17.Bxf3 e5 18.Qb6 exd4 19.exd4 Nd7N [19...g6] 20.Nxd7 Rxd7 21.Be2 g6 22.Rfc1 Nd8 23.Rb3 Ra8 24.Bg4 f5 25.Qxd6 Rxd6 26.Bf3 Ne6 27.Rxb7 Nxd4 28.Bd1 Ne6 29.Kf1 Rf8 30.Ba4 Rf7= Line


  
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Exchange Slav repertoire with ...Ne4
08/08/08 at 20:57:21
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I recently watched a presentation by GM Jesse Kraai on www.chesslectures.com that talked about the Exchange Slav. The line he gave for Black was 3 cxd5 cxd5 4 Nc3 Nf6 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bf4 Ne5. Apparently this line has been played by Kramnik and while it might not be the strongest theoretically (although I do believe it has a good reputation) it unbalances the situation in a way I can understand. Credit to GM Kraai, he did a great job explaining the typical plans, enough to get me excited about facing the Exchange Slav as Black. Shocked

The only problem comes when I build my repertoire, as White can avoid this line with an early e2-e3, removing any tension on d4. E.g. 5 e3, 5 Bf4 Nc6 6 e3, 6 e3 or even 4 e3. Looking at NCO, I saw mostly transpositions to the "main line" exchange slav (6...Bf5 7 e3 e6 etc) as recommended in Vigorito's "Play the Semi-Slav". I'm not nearly as happy with these positions, however.

Has anyone else have a similar dilemma? I'd rather avoid being move-ordered into a position I'm not crazy about.
  
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