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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #25 - 12/23/08 at 11:11:15
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i've moved on to the semi-slav and have enjoyed much more pleasurable games and results


Semi-slav is fine, I liked to play the Meran and Antimeran (Dc2 stuff) with black, too. By the way, I never lost a game with black in these two openings so far, even though most of my oppoents were higher rated.
Its not a very solid opening, but black's peaces have nice places and one has no strategical weaknesses in most cases.
However, I still look for a good way for me to meet the Bg5-line (moscow gambit or botvinnik, black's choice... ).....  Undecided 
So far I focused on the main lines in the moscow gambit here, but the problem is that black has to remember really a lot in order to be (or at least feel Smiley ) sure he will not be killed in opening. Unfortunately thats even true in this opening for people with a very good memory (at least for chess positions). I wonder if there is a playable sideline in the moscow gambit or botvinnik for black, where the amount theory is not that huge.


  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #24 - 12/23/08 at 09:35:14
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Hi Kowl

Ask GM Victor Moskalenko (and for that matter GM Simen Agdestein) how drawish the Dutch Stonewall is. He uses it as his main weapon against 1,d4 and well he has made a good living from it!!!!

There is somewhat of a mis-conception here. Yes the Dutch Stonewall has drawish tendancy's (many black openings do don't they?) but the mainlines have been spiced up by many modern players and even Kramnik who once did some nice analysis in one of Dvoretsky's book's is certainly of the opinion that this is not a one trick pony to coin a phrase. 

I am looking for Nigel Davies to do a Chess Base DVD on it shortly! (9 hours duration at least please Nigel!!) 

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PS Nigel did a very good Foxy Video on the opening and I would recommend it to anybody thinking of taking up the above opening for theirst tme. It is an excellent primer for the first time student on this line.
  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #23 - 12/22/08 at 19:52:21
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I think the stonewall dutch is very drawish.

as for the dxc4 a4 Bf5 line in the slav I've found white has so many options and methods of attack i'm always looking out to just hold on for a draw. for this reason i've moved on to the semi-slav and have enjoyed much more pleasurable games and results. Smiley
  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #22 - 12/22/08 at 18:56:24
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Hi Al

For me the most solid options at Black's disposal are Lasker's Defence and the Dutch Stonewall. The latter has greater potential for winning a game but the former against strong opposition is very annoying to meet.

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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #21 - 12/19/08 at 22:00:21
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Bibs wrote on 12/05/08 at 14:00:25:
You may also try, er, books. Bound linear text.

Try Vigus' book.

..and look up games of any/all top Chinese players for starters.


Bu Xiangzhi has been playing a lot of Slavs on the black side with a quick dxc4 against the top players with pretty good results.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/05/08 at 14:00:25
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You may also try, er, books. Bound linear text.

Try Vigus' book.

..and look up games of any/all top Chinese players for starters.
  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #19 - 12/05/08 at 11:25:01
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3Nf3 Nf6 4Nc3 dxc4 5a4 Bf5


This seems to be very solid indeed. I think about including this line in my black opening repertoire. Do you know some good internet sources for theory in this line (except Chesspublishing) ?
  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #18 - 12/05/08 at 03:28:43
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Agree with MNb.  Lasker's and the Orthodox QGD.
  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #17 - 12/05/08 at 01:31:37
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The QGA is probably Black's most 'solid' defence to 1.d4. In most variations of the opening, White has slightly more active pieces, but Black's pawn structure is extremely robust. From my experience with this opening, Black has little trouble neutralising White's slight initiative and often even emerging with the initiative himself.
  

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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #16 - 12/04/08 at 22:41:01
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HoemberChess wrote on 12/04/08 at 21:21:52:
H-HH wrote on 12/04/08 at 19:30:01:
drkodos wrote on 09/20/08 at 20:40:56:
Queen's Gambit Accepted is the Petroff of the d4 world:

Snatch a "hanging" White pawn, good and actice development for the minor pieces and a bullet-proof pawn structure that is hard to break down.


Fully agreed. I was going to say that Slav with early ...dxc4 is the main line caro-kann of d-pawns openings as well. free development for all black pieces, and solid position at the cost of less central space, and chances of winning usually in the endgame.


You mean 3Nf3 Nf6 4Nc3 dxc4 5a4 Bf5, don't you?


Yes, that was the especific position I had in mind.
  

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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #15 - 12/04/08 at 21:21:52
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H-HH wrote on 12/04/08 at 19:30:01:
drkodos wrote on 09/20/08 at 20:40:56:
Queen's Gambit Accepted is the Petroff of the d4 world:

Snatch a "hanging" White pawn, good and actice development for the minor pieces and a bullet-proof pawn structure that is hard to break down.


Fully agreed. I was going to say that Slav with early ...dxc4 is the main line caro-kann of d-pawns openings as well. free development for all black pieces, and solid position at the cost of less central space, and chances of winning usually in the endgame.


You mean 3Nf3 Nf6 4Nc3 dxc4 5a4 Bf5, don't you?
  

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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #14 - 12/04/08 at 19:30:01
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drkodos wrote on 09/20/08 at 20:40:56:
Queen's Gambit Accepted is the Petroff of the d4 world:

Snatch a "hanging" White pawn, good and actice development for the minor pieces and a bullet-proof pawn structure that is hard to break down.


Fully agreed. I was going to say that Slav with early ...dxc4 is the main line caro-kann of d-pawns openings as well. free development for all black pieces, and solid position at the cost of less central space, and chances of winning usually in the endgame.
  

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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #13 - 10/26/08 at 18:38:48
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I also read in Nunn's Chess Openings that the gruenfeld is not a good defence for a club player, because it's drawish and has a great amount of theory.


Exactly the reasons why I abandoned it!
  
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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #12 - 09/25/08 at 11:18:02
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Two hanging pawns are not that solid, are they? Of course the Tartakower is very sound, but it's not a safety first approach.
  

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Re: Super-Solid Opening Against d4
Reply #11 - 09/25/08 at 04:43:01
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If you want super-solid against 1.d4, I can't imagine anything better than the Tartakower.  You need to learn a line against Bf4, Bxf6, and the Alatortsev.  But in all lines you will be in decent shape.  Some of the lines may be a bit passive, but you'd have to deal with this anyway in an exchange slav and many other 'boring' variations.  The Tartakower scores very well at the top levels, and it's certainly never going to be refuted.  If you like the Caro and/or the Petrov, then the Tartakower would be a great choice.

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