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Question: Who will win the World Championship in 2008?


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Vishy Anand by at least 2 points 1 (1.3%) Vladimir Kramnik by at least 2 pts 2 (2.6%) Vishy, but it will be close 26 (34.2%) Kramnik, but it will be close 36 (47.4%) A tie and Anand wins 4 (5.3%) A tie and Kramnik wins 7 (9.2%) Total votes: 76 « Created by: Smyslov_Fan on: 10/13/08 at 04:26:14 »

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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #121 - 10/21/08 at 17:41:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Kramnik is down for the count. After seeing the ChessVibes clip and upon hearing Kramnik saying he thought he was winning before ...Ne3 in the game yesterday, it looks like that was the moment that broke the camel's back.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #120 - 10/21/08 at 17:21:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think we can safely now say game, set, and match to Anand. 3-0 down at half time. This is staggeering. Anyone have any idea what Anand's performance rating is?

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #119 - 10/21/08 at 17:11:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keano, Yes youre right, and to add to the misery there are moves like Nd6+ on offer.... (if ...Rg8) But ...Kg8 played and now Bh6 seems extra strong, but perhaps Rd3 first? Anyway Anand has now sufficient time, to think thing through to the end.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #118 - 10/21/08 at 17:07:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Maybe, but fxg7 looks winning enough also - the Bishop comes to h6 at some point and then invade with the rook to f8


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #117 - 10/21/08 at 17:01:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Kramnik made his 40th move, but the game is essentially over. 41.Rxg7+,Ke6 42.Ng5+,Ke5 43.f7 wins easily. I doubt Kramnik would have risked 18...c5?! if he hadnt been behind 2 pts. allready.....


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #116 - 10/21/08 at 16:47:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	39.f6 ...its looking ominous alright


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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #115 - 10/21/08 at 16:44:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seth_Xoma wrote on 10/20/08 at 17:11:07: The Tiger of Madras lands a vicious right hook and has Vlad the Impaler picking himself up off the mat! We're at 37...Nxb2 now in the sixth game. To carry the boxing metaphors...The Tiger of Madras has Vlad propped up and is lining up for his final punch.


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MUBAs Opponent Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 70 Joined: 02/06/07	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #114 - 10/21/08 at 16:30:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	Two pawns down -- it's looking bleak. I really don't see why he gave the second one, except for the obvious consideration of time trouble.


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #113 - 10/21/08 at 14:31:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well the queens have come off. Kramnik seems a bit better, but has to take care when he opens up the position. After all white again has a pair of bishops and no structural weaknesses yet (16.30 h). I think this might be drawn again..... Leaving Anand with a comfortable lead at half time. Another hour (17.30 h CET) and Kramnik seems in trouble again! and is again behind on the clock. He opened the position, dropping a pawn in the process, and must now defend an inferior endgame. If he loses this one, the match is essentially over.
	« Last Edit: 10/21/08 at 15:51:16 by micawber »

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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #112 - 10/21/08 at 14:07:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	well, I just glanced at the position and I cant believe Anand is playing this way with h3 and g4. Its either a brilliant concept or very bad, but either way Kramnik is getting what he wants now - a double edged position with Black where he can play to win....


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #111 - 10/21/08 at 13:44:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well Game 6 is on. It looks like Anand has chosen an innocuous sub line of the classical Nimzo Indian. It will be interesting to see if he has found some poison in his preparation.

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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Ptero Full Member Offline When all else fails, read the instructions. Posts: 220 Joined: 03/22/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #110 - 10/21/08 at 10:38:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	sssthepro wrote on 10/21/08 at 10:13:59: How about 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Nbd2? I don't think there will be any novelty here, and Kramnik can get interesting positions with chances to win. Anand would probably answer 4.e3 with either 4...Bf5 or 4... Bg4 rather than 4...e6, but it may still be a reasonable option. Anyway kramnik has two blacks in a row now. Probably will play safe today, but following the rest day will try to make his move playing to win white or black.


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sssthepro Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 439 Joined: 12/16/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #109 - 10/21/08 at 10:13:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	How about 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Nbd2? I don't think there will be any novelty here, and Kramnik can get interesting positions with chances to win.


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #108 - 10/21/08 at 08:27:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	I agree that Kramnik was not worse after the opening in game 3 and 5. But the opening is to blame, in another sense. It led to positions that Kramnik doesnt seem like, and where doubted his intuition. He spent way to much time on his first few moves when he was out of his home prep, and fell victim to time pressure in complex positions. In game 3 and 5 he was an hour behind on the clock in positions where accurate calculation was still necessary. Kramnik has always leaned on excellent opening preparation in his matches, and playing black he is well prepared. In the fourth game he played very well, from a position that suited him. All in all, Anand's preparation as black has been excellent, with sufficient back-ups and novelties up till now. Still 7 games to go, although an early decisions is possible as well. I think it will be good for the chess world if Anand wins this match, as it will end any unclarity about who is the world champion. I didnt think it very gentleman like that Kramnik still claimed to be the world champion of 'classical chess', after Anand became World Champion.


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Nietzsche Senior Member Offline Huggy Bear is coming. You'd better run. Posts: 394 Location: USA Joined: 02/13/06 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #107 - 10/20/08 at 23:42:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't think openings are to blame. In both of his losses Kramnik was not worse out of the opening, he just didn't play well... But I am curious if he's busy preparing the Marshall against 1.e4 (since Leko is one of his seconds). I think Kramnik switching to 1.e4 would be a mistake. If anything I think he could consider switching to 1.c4 as white; if only for psychological reasons. I don't think the match is over, but it doesn't look good...even if he makes up the two points, he has to win in rapid chess against probably the best rapid player in the world. My god..When is the last time Kramnik lost two straight games as white in classical chess?

	"By some ardent enthusiasts Chess has been elevated into a science or an art. It is neither; but its principal characteristic seems to be what human nature mostly delights in - a fight." - Em. Lasker
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