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Question: Who will win the World Championship in 2008?


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Vishy Anand by at least 2 points 1 (1.3%) Vladimir Kramnik by at least 2 pts 2 (2.6%) Vishy, but it will be close 26 (34.2%) Kramnik, but it will be close 36 (47.4%) A tie and Anand wins 4 (5.3%) A tie and Kramnik wins 7 (9.2%) Total votes: 76 « Created by: Smyslov_Fan on: 10/13/08 at 04:26:14 »

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Gerry1970 Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 482 Joined: 02/01/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #226 - 11/18/08 at 02:57:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hello All: Nice to see there is life after losing a big competition. (from the Olympiad) Gerry


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #225 - 11/03/08 at 16:40:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	Truth is also there was no reason to let Topalov not play in the last WCh tournament won by Anand. The logic is anything but straightforward, but I see Topalov playing that match against Kamsky as a compensation for leaving him out of that tournament. Not that I pity Topalov, I find him antipathetic.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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ANDREW BRETT God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 622 Joined: 07/07/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #224 - 11/03/08 at 14:50:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Truth is there is no case for Topalov to have this match at all. Is this as contraversial a decisions as when Kramnik was parachuted in to face GK when he had lost to Shirov ? Topalov v Anand would be a great match but I give Kamsky a 40 % chance of winning against Topalov - maybe higher if he gets through the openings.


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Viking God Member Offline Posts: 673 Location: Norway Joined: 10/12/04 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #223 - 11/02/08 at 20:03:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Laramonet wrote on 11/02/08 at 18:16:41: One world champion is so much easier to explain to any interested non-chess players ! We still have to explain the logic how Anand's next opponent qualified for the WC match....


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Laramonet Senior Member Offline Gwyddbwll am byth ! Posts: 346 Location: Kidwelly Joined: 03/16/07 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #222 - 11/02/08 at 18:16:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	I agree Cyronix. It's great to have one champion even if I was hoping it would have been Kramnik. One world champion is so much easier to explain to any interested non-chess players ! I hope Kramnik can achieve the motivation to fight for another match. Is the Kamsky-Topalov match still up in the air ?


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cyronix Ex Member	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #221 - 11/02/08 at 17:21:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Silently and unnoticed the chess world got united, noone talks about it, but we finally have one champion. Everyone spoke of Anand as titleholder, but Kramnik was still undefeated in matches, so Anand could not really crown himself as a real world champion. Now finally we have one chess organisation, one title. Some may question this system of the chess organisation, but this system is still better than the "chaos" that existed before. Now one can expect that someone like shirov who qualified as challenger of the wch will also get his match!


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #220 - 10/31/08 at 10:28:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 10/31/08 at 06:03:09: Let's see, Kasparov agrees to end the match with Karpov in 1984-85, then angrily storms the stage to protest... Kasparov loses to a computer in a match, then angrily complains the computer team of cheating Kasparov lets go of a piece, making a move that would have made him the first sitting champion to lose to a woman, then complains vociferously that he did no such thing. The arbiters side with him despite clear video evidence to the contrary Kasparov loses his title in match play and openly considers retiring Eight years later, Kasparov derides the World Champion who soundly defeated him as soon as he loses a match. I'm not too worried about Kasparov's comments regarding Kramnik. Always nice, such a list of facts. It's just that the man played brilliant chess. For the future of Russia - and the rest of the world - I strongly hope Kasparov will not reach his political goals, which sound nice now, but in the end only may be K for president, K for a second term, K for a third term, K remains president until he dies.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #219 - 10/31/08 at 06:03:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Let's see, Kasparov agrees to end the match with Karpov in 1984-85, then angrily storms the stage to protest... Kasparov loses to a computer in a match, then angrily complains the computer team of cheating Kasparov lets go of a piece, making a move that would have made him the first sitting champion to lose to a woman, then complains vociferously that he did no such thing. The arbiters side with him despite clear video evidence to the contrary Kasparov loses his title in match play and openly considers retiring Eight years later, Kasparov derides the World Champion who soundly defeated him as soon as he loses a match. I'm not too worried about Kasparov's comments regarding Kramnik.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #218 - 10/30/08 at 12:34:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Antillian wrote on 10/30/08 at 12:08:03: Indeed, and the world's best players now unaminously agree that 1. d4! is the way to win Actually it would seem that 1..d5 is the way to win
	« Last Edit: 10/31/08 at 08:43:05 by Willempie »
	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #217 - 10/30/08 at 12:08:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ptero wrote on 10/30/08 at 09:07:12: Congrats to Anand for an excellent match. Perhaps slightly off-topic, but one unfortunate conclusion one is inclined to draw from this match and from the previous one (Kramnik-Topalov), is that the world's best theoreticians – armed with the finest computers and with ample time on their side – are unable find a breach in the Petroff defense. Indeed, and the world's best players now unaminously agree that 1. d4! is the way to win

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #216 - 10/30/08 at 10:43:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes Shirov was severely hard done by. How many other sports can this happen - you win a candidates match to play for the World champion, then you are told hold on we didnt think you would win - we want the guy you just beat to play for the championship.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #215 - 10/30/08 at 10:37:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keano wrote on 10/30/08 at 10:02:15: The London win over Kasparov created the myth of Kramnik as a great match player, when he had just lost his qualifying match to Shirov! How he even got to play Kasparov is something of a mystery. Because and only because Kasparov has cheated Shirov. That's also the reason of the title mess of the last 15 years - the FIDE for once is not to blame. Kasparov is not a man to keep his word.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #214 - 10/30/08 at 10:02:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Interesting Kasparov quote which kind of brings it home about Kramnik - Quote: This result ends the illusion that Kramnik is a great match player. London was a unique occurrence and I still stand with Leonid Yudasin as the only players Kramnik has ever beaten in a match! Kramnik now has some work to do. His overly-defensive play seems to represent a general decline in strength. The London win over Kasparov created the myth of Kramnik as a great match player, when he had just lost his qualifying match to Shirov! How he even got to play Kasparov is something of a mystery.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #213 - 10/30/08 at 09:37:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	What did I win? I seem to have been the only one with a good prediction Now for two more interesting matches.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Ptero Full Member Offline When all else fails, read the instructions. Posts: 220 Joined: 03/22/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #212 - 10/30/08 at 09:07:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	Congrats to Anand for an excellent match. Perhaps slightly off-topic, but one unfortunate conclusion one is inclined to draw from this match and from the previous one (Kramnik-Topalov), is that the world's best theoreticians – armed with the finest computers and with ample time on their side – are unable find a breach in the Petroff defense.


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