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Question: Who will win the World Championship in 2008?


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Vishy Anand by at least 2 points 1 (1.3%) Vladimir Kramnik by at least 2 pts 2 (2.6%) Vishy, but it will be close 26 (34.2%) Kramnik, but it will be close 36 (47.4%) A tie and Anand wins 4 (5.3%) A tie and Kramnik wins 7 (9.2%) Total votes: 76 « Created by: Smyslov_Fan on: 10/13/08 at 04:26:14 »

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Paddy God Member Offline The truth will out! Posts: 965 Location: Manchester Joined: 01/10/03 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #76 - 10/17/08 at 20:01:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	A bit far-fetched, I know, but I wonder whether Kramnik was led astray in Game 3 by his own elite chess upbringing. As a member of Botvinnik's school, he will have been familiar with this game in a closely related variation of the Meran, I'm sure. Botvinnik wins by getting queen and rook to the 7th. [Event "World Championship 18th"] [Site "Den Haag/Moscow"] [Date "1948.04.13"] [Round "12"] [White "Botvinnik, Mikhail"] [Black "Euwe, Max"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "D49"] [PlyCount "71"] [EventDate "1948.03.02"] [EventType "tourn"] [EventRounds "25"] [EventCountry "URS"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 a6 9. e4 c5 10. e5 cxd4 11. Nxb5 axb5 12. exf6 Qb6 13. fxg7 Bxg7 14. O-O Nc5 15. Bf4 Bb7 16. Re1 Rd8 17. Rc1 Rd5 18. Be5 Bxe5 19. Rxe5 Rxe5 20. Nxe5 Nxd3 21. Qxd3 f6 22. Qg3 fxe5 23. Qg7 Rf8 24. Rc7 Qxc7 25. Qxc7 Bd5 26. Qxe5 d3 27. Qe3 Bc4 28. b3 Rf7 29. f3 Rd7 30. Qd2 e5 31. bxc4 bxc4 32. Kf2 Kf7 33. Ke3 Ke6 34. Qb4 Rc7 35. Kd2 Rc6 36. a4 1-0 Kramnik tries to do the same (move 22 threatens the killing Qh7) but he can't quite manage to make the idea work. [Event "WCh"] [Site "Bonn GER"] [Date "2008.10.17"] [Round "3"] [White "Kramnik, V."] [Black "Anand, V."] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "D49"] [WhiteElo "2772"] [BlackElo "2783"] [PlyCount "82"] [EventDate "2008.10.14"] 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 a6 9. e4 c5 10. e5 cxd4 11. Nxb5 axb5 12. exf6 gxf6 13. O-O Qb6 14. Qe2 Bb7 15. Bxb5 Bd6 16. Rd1 Rg8 17. g3 Rg4 18. Bf4 Bxf4 19. Nxd4 h5 20. Nxe6 fxe6 21. Rxd7 Kf8 22. Qd3 Rg7 23. Rxg7 Kxg7 24. gxf4 Rd8 25. Qe2 Kh6 26. Kf1 Rg8 27. a4 Bg2+ 28. Ke1 Bh3 29. Ra3 Rg1+ 30. Kd2 Qd4+ 31. Kc2 Bg4 32. f3 Bf5+ 33. Bd3 Bh3 34. a5 Rg2 35. a6 Rxe2+ 36. Bxe2 Bf5+ 37. Kb3 Qe3+ 38. Ka2 Qxe2 39. a7 Qc4+ 40. Ka1 Qf1+ 41. Ka2 Bb1+ 0-1


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #75 - 10/17/08 at 17:52:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well put Nietsche, I agree that after 26.Kf1,Rg8 the position was still more or less equal. But 27.a4 (iso of 27.f5!) invited trouble. 27.a4,Bg2+ 28.Ke1,Bh3 I still think black would have been better here even after 29.Rd1 (iso of the rather horrible 29.Ra3? Kramnik played). 29.Rd1,Rg1 30.Kd2,Rg2 would have preserved an edge for black I think. For the moment white has few active possibilities and he's gonna lose his K-side pawns (especially the important pawn on h2). But we probably have to wait for GM Illescas commentary to be sure. I am also curious about the consequences of 18.Nd2 (iso of the game move 18.Bf4)


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Nietzsche Senior Member Offline Huggy Bear is coming. You'd better run. Posts: 394 Location: USA Joined: 02/13/06 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #74 - 10/17/08 at 17:23:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	That was a great game. I feel bad for Kramnik who really took chances (e.g. 18.Bf4, which will now just be called a mistake). I also don't think White could be worse after 26.Kf1, but Anand was relentless. Its a shame Kramnik played 29.Ra3? and of course, 33.Bd3?? which just loses on the spot. Well, I guess it's clear we won't see another Exchange Slav and that Anand really is the better rapid player! Nietzsche ps - I bet Anand shifts to 1.e4 now!

	"By some ardent enthusiasts Chess has been elevated into a science or an art. It is neither; but its principal characteristic seems to be what human nature mostly delights in - a fight." - Em. Lasker
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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #73 - 10/17/08 at 17:09:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Anand just won!, despite missing a forced win with 33....Bxd3!. Kramnik was apparantly in time-trouble and didnt put up much restistance after 33....Bg4. Well, this is a great game for Anand, winning with black!, thx to superior preparation. This will probably change the character of the match.


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Nietzsche Senior Member Offline Huggy Bear is coming. You'd better run. Posts: 394 Location: USA Joined: 02/13/06 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #72 - 10/17/08 at 16:46:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ra3? is bad. I wonder what Kramnik missed? I don't think a4 was that much of a problem since 29.Rd1 to hold the ending, but Ra3 appears almost losing. What a shame after such interesting, aggressive play. Anand has put together a nice attack, while two (passed) pawns down.

	"By some ardent enthusiasts Chess has been elevated into a science or an art. It is neither; but its principal characteristic seems to be what human nature mostly delights in - a fight." - Em. Lasker
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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #71 - 10/17/08 at 16:42:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Good Lord, Ptero is right with his moves 27.a4 and 29.Ra3 the ice seems to have cracked beneath Kramnik's feet. 27.a4 was rather careless, while 27.f5 opening the e3-h6 diag might have given Kramnik some counterplay.


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #70 - 10/17/08 at 16:19:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think Kramnik still will draw, unless he makes a mistake in timetrouble. Besides is saw the annotations of GM Illescas on the second game. He comments that after Nge5 iso Ndf6 black should equalize without much trouble, and adds that both players considered ..Ndf6 a mistake. @Mubasopponent: Indeed I see what you mean: The commentator you refer to gave 22...h4 apparantly overlooking 23.Qh7 as indicated above. @Ptero: Youre 100% correct: 22...Bg3 only draws. Thats why those guys are sitting there, and I am watching from here


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Ptero Full Member Offline When all else fails, read the instructions. Posts: 220 Joined: 03/22/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #69 - 10/17/08 at 16:04:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Indeed after 25...Kh6 white is skating on thin ice


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Ptero Full Member Offline When all else fails, read the instructions. Posts: 220 Joined: 03/22/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #68 - 10/17/08 at 16:00:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	MUBAs Opponent wrote on 10/17/08 at 15:55:21: Well, the commentary continues to intrigue me. 22... Rg7 and "Anand is in a fighting mood"? That just allows White to simplify. Surely if he was in a fighting mood he would have played Bxg3 as you suggested. He probably meant that Anand calculated 22...Bxg3 to a forced draw, while with 22...Bg7 black keeps some winning (and losing) chances


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MUBAs Opponent Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 70 Joined: 02/06/07	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #67 - 10/17/08 at 15:55:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, the commentary continues to intrigue me. 22... Rg7 and "Anand is in a fighting mood"? That just allows White to simplify. Surely if he was in a fighting mood he would have played Bxg3 as you suggested.


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #66 - 10/17/08 at 15:45:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	The predicted line has materialised on the board. Anand pondering his answer now. Hope he doesnt short-circuit, as Qd3 has set up the sneaky threat Qh7 with a possible nasty end for black. However ....Bxg3 still looks interesting to me.


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #65 - 10/17/08 at 14:55:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	@Willempie: Meran, following an "obscure" mastergame from Germany 1993 as far as I can tell, with Kramnik the first to play an improvement, but finding Anand well prepared. Predicting draw nr.3: It seems 19...h5 is the most likely reply when the announced pseudo sac should clear things up: 19....h5 (dont like 19...Rg6) 20.Nxe6,fxe 21.Rxd7,Kf8 with even chances. Hell on 22.Qd3 even 22....Bxg3 might be viable for black. Good preparation by Anand


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #64 - 10/17/08 at 14:24:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	So far quite interesting. I am not sure which line this is (semi-slav, QGD, meran or slav) but it looks quite interesting. Anand seems to have the initiative, while Krammers has the long term advantage I think.

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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ANDREW BRETT God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 622 Joined: 07/07/06	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #63 - 10/17/08 at 07:32:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would predict 9 a3 in the Meran. If that doesn't happen I expect 4 e3 (yawn!). It's a question of when does Kramnik want to engage in a full blown fight and whether he wants this as part of his match strategy.


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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: Anand-Kramnik 2008 World Championships! Reply #62 - 10/17/08 at 03:19:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think a 6. Bd3 Meran is a possibility, its curious really, that Black is often losing a lot of games there recently even after emerging out of the opening with a playable position. 6. Bxf6 Moscow main line also possible, which Kramnik has played before and is safe.


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