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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #20 - 10/28/08 at 13:42:18
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If you would like to play something that is not too theoretical I would recommend the Kalashnikov variation. Of course you can get 3.Bb5,3.c3 and 3.Nc3 but its not difficult to prepare something against the anti-sicilians. If you want to play for a win with black here just check out  "beating the anti sicilians" by Gallagher.
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #19 - 10/28/08 at 13:09:57
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castlerock2 wrote on 10/28/08 at 11:41:11:
when I started out chess, I used to play the french defense. i still play the french and get decent results with it.recently, i started playing philidor after studying the philidor files by christian bauer. it's a good opening. 

the best way to reach it is through the 1...d6 move order. most people don't know what to play against the philidor. the positions are usually strategical,but there is some scope for tactical play also.

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #18 - 10/28/08 at 11:41:11
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when I started out chess, I used to play the french defense. i still play the french and get decent results with it.recently, i started playing philidor after studying the philidor files by christian bauer. it's a good opening. 

the best way to reach it is through the 1...d6 move order. most people don't know what to play against the philidor. the positions are usually strategical,but there is some scope for tactical play also.
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #17 - 10/26/08 at 17:36:53
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up and comer wrote on 10/22/08 at 00:48:07:
I have been playing the caro kann for a few years now and its a great opening I've had a lot of success with, but I feel like it's now time for me to expand my opening repertoire. 

I'm looking for something that doesn't have too many variations to memorize, and something I can use too play for the win, since I already have a solid positional opening in the kann. 

If it helps at all I was rated 1584 and my rating was climbing 2 years ago before I took a long break from chess to devote myself to school and sports. So I'll be using whatever openings you suggest against people in the 1600+ crowd.   

So what are some openings you think I should take a look at?


At your level you should be playing nothing but 1...e5.  Of course it's theoretical, but so is chess.  Playing the Caro for so long hasn't helped your game, I rather suspect.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #16 - 10/26/08 at 10:07:04
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up and comer wrote on 10/25/08 at 00:23:00:
Willempie wrote on 10/23/08 at 05:40:23:
Why not approach it from a different angle? Which opening gives you most problems as white? Study that one and you will see that after a while your results with both colours improve in that opening. Once you get bored again, repeat with 2nd most troublesome.


I almost always play d4 as white so I don't think this will help. I have played the english on occasion.

Yes that may make that approach a little useless Grin
  

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Reply #15 - 10/25/08 at 00:23:00
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Willempie wrote on 10/23/08 at 05:40:23:
Why not approach it from a different angle? Which opening gives you most problems as white? Study that one and you will see that after a while your results with both colours improve in that opening. Once you get bored again, repeat with 2nd most troublesome.


I almost always play d4 as white so I don't think this will help. I have played the english on occasion.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #14 - 10/23/08 at 10:05:29
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up and comer wrote on 10/23/08 at 01:25:12:

Ah, I see. I might decide to take a look at it, but wouldn't the sicilian defenses be better if I wanted to play a game that was very tactical and had a lot of lines to memorize?


Fortunately I am not foolish enough to argue against the Sicilian. In fact I was about to recommend it after your first post. The big difference between the Open Sicilian and the Open Games is that Black in the first sacrifices a tempo (and sometimes two) to create a dormant pawn majority in the centre. So Black's play is initially more strategically orientated. White's play though quite often aims at punishing Black for his lack of development, so play can become highly tactical indeed - and very quickly. At the other hand a variation like the Closed Ruy Lopez can require a lot of patient manoeuvring.
Against ELO 1600-1800 it's another matter though. You hardly will get topical lines and then the Open Games are more tactical than the Sicilian. I mean, how are you going to create a slugfest after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 and 3.b3 ? At the other hand play can become pretty wild after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5/4.d4 and stuff like this is what you are going to meet on that level.
The approach recommended by Willempie also makes a lot of sense.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #13 - 10/23/08 at 05:40:23
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Why not approach it from a different angle? Which opening gives you most problems as white? Study that one and you will see that after a while your results with both colours improve in that opening. Once you get bored again, repeat with 2nd most troublesome.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #12 - 10/23/08 at 02:15:08
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one more thing to consider, according to Dan Heisman who writes the Novice Nook at chesscafe.com.  he recommends students who are learning to learn the KID and French defense for few months; because of pawn breaks, and the pawn structure themes keep recurring, no matter what the other opponent is trying to do.  eventually he says most of his students go to other openings but they learn a lot about pawn structures and pawn breaks.

i might do that myself, i am learning the KID (easy to play, hard to master), the french i am kinda weary of; however if Bobby Fischer has a hard time with it, it can't be that bad.   

of course e5 is always good, whether you like strategy or tactics, it depends on what white is trying to do.  you can try petroff defense to limit his options, unless he like king's gambit, bishop opening, or vienna game.  of course if you can't decide which one to play, learn them all.    Smiley
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #11 - 10/23/08 at 01:25:12
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MNb wrote on 10/23/08 at 00:53:43:
The ...gxf6 interesting, but make sure you know how to deal with White's King's Fianchetto. The benefit of playing 1.e4 e5 as Black is that you learn the meaning of active piece play. In your first post you seem to write that you intend to develop a seperate repertoire against lower rated players. The Open Games as Black are a good idea indeed, because you can expect some passive play by White which will allow you to light some fireworks. So the Open Games will force you to develop your tactical skills.
The obvious disadvantage is that there are quite a few lines to memorize. At the other hand recognizing tactical patterns helps enormously; I have played the Open Games for several years despite a bad memory.


Ah, I see. I might decide to take a look at it, but wouldn't the sicilian defenses be better if I wanted to play a game that was very tactical and had a lot of lines to memorize?
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #10 - 10/23/08 at 01:01:09
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I've noticed quite a few people recommending this Caro variation. Off-topic I know, but could someone give just a very quick summary of the current state of it? I'd assumed it wasn't great, but I may be out of date ...
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #9 - 10/23/08 at 00:53:43
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The ...gxf6 interesting, but make sure you know how to deal with White's King's Fianchetto. The benefit of playing 1.e4 e5 as Black is that you learn the meaning of active piece play. In your first post you seem to write that you intend to develop a seperate repertoire against lower rated players. The Open Games as Black are a good idea indeed, because you can expect some passive play by White which will allow you to light some fireworks. So the Open Games will force you to develop your tactical skills.
The obvious disadvantage is that there are quite a few lines to memorize. At the other hand recognizing tactical patterns helps enormously; I have played the Open Games for several years despite a bad memory.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #8 - 10/23/08 at 00:01:23
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katar wrote on 10/22/08 at 23:38:34:

play the Bronstein-Larsen line with ...Nf6, Nxf6, gxf6.  this is aggressive and unbalanced and allows black to play for a win.  it's always more economical to branch out within an opening instead of learn a whole new one.


I am actually looking into that currently  Smiley . It has definitely piqued my interest. However I would still like to learn a new opening, besides the kann for three reasons. 
One I want to try something new and expand on my knowledge about chess; two, white can completely avoid this line by playing the advance variation; three, I want to have some variety to my play. I don't want people who know me to be able to prepare to play against me by just studying one opening, and forcing me into a variation of it they have studied extensively. I want to be able to keep them on their toes, so to speak.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #7 - 10/22/08 at 23:38:34
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up and comer wrote on 10/22/08 at 00:48:07:

I'm looking for something that doesn't have too many variations to memorize, and something I can use too play for the win, since I already have a solid positional opening in the kann.

play the Bronstein-Larsen line with ...Nf6, Nxf6, gxf6.  this is aggressive and unbalanced and allows black to play for a win.  it's always more economical to branch out within an opening instead of learn a whole new one.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #6 - 10/22/08 at 22:56:08
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belgian wrote on 10/22/08 at 20:38:55:


Arguably playing 1. e4 e5(!) will be most beneficial for your chess development. Studying the two QualityChess books by Marin will teach you all you need to know about 1. e4 e5 etc. until you reach 2000+.

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Really? What are some of the benefits I would receive by playing 1. e4 e5 I wouldn't get playing something else?
  

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