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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #65 - 10/31/08 at 22:36:37
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Maturin13 wrote on 10/31/08 at 21:52:52:


[I'm writing here specifically about correspondents on this board rather than personal coaching. The two situations are very different: in the latter the student is guided closely by a coach who can explain and filter information, while in the former the aspiring player is on his or her own. Furthermore, if you're asking strangers for repertoire advice  on a message board  it's likely that you're not part of a strong chess community .]




I dont have a chess coach. The only person who I could consider a big influence on my game is my dad, who bought me all my chess books who taught me how to play the game and who can still play against me competitively even to this day, and the guy who started a chess club in elementary school that gave me the competition I needed to improve in chess. 

As for the chess community, I am basically the strongest player at my chess club. We have an expert level player who drops by every few months, but besides that the club consists of around 7-8 regulars, none of whom are above a 1500 level of play. 

Which is one of the reasons why I am asking your opinions on what I should learn, since you all are much stronger than the players around where I live.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #64 - 10/31/08 at 21:52:52
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Markovich, I can't be too tired of these threads — I still read and remember them all!  Actually I'm quite interested in both the chess content and the pedagogical and psychological issues.

You anticipate my doubts when you write that the superiority of an open games repertoire is such that you feel safe recommending it to any improving player regardless of their particular situation.  I will accept your argument that the open games repertoire is objectively superior. But I'm not sure this objective superiority outweighs the subjective psychological effects of playing an opening the student believes suboptimal for themselves

[I'm writing here specifically about correspondents on this board rather than personal coaching. The two situations are very different: in the latter the student is guided closely by a coach who can explain and filter information, while in the former the aspiring player is on his or her own. Furthermore, if you're asking strangers for repertoire advice  on a message board  it's likely that you're not part of a strong chess community .]

For someone working on their own it's difficult to work on something they dislike. Humans only have a limited reserve of willpower — if you have to spend it in making oneself study that's less to do the actual studying. For this reason alone it makes sense for the individual working alone to study the material that he or she is excited to study.

The ideal, then, would be to find one's own best way to approach the open games with interest and enthusiasm. Defending against a string of obscure 19c gambits in internet blitz is not exactly the way to accomplish this. But if someone likes chess history, the first stop would have to be Marin's Beating the Open Games.


It occurs to me that the repertoire Markovich advocates (1.e4 and opening the position; Two Knights vs. the Italian and the Open or Classical Lopez; the Tarrasch vs. 1.d4 and flank openings, if I remember correctly) is similar to Paddy's student's repertoire in that both are based around simple, aggressive plans and piece-play. One does it with an open center, the other around a fixed (not blocked) center. This latter is important  since fixed centers encourage piece-play concentrating on the central squares; blocked centers, play on the flanks.

Shereshevsky's repertoire in Soviet Chess Conveyor, which he taught to his 1900-2200 level students, is also similar. Though the positions might be more complex, the plans are still simple and aggressive.

In contrast Peter Wells was a devotee of the 4…Nd7 Caro-Kann as a teenager but now believes it hampered his growth. Similarly, Alex Yermolinsky purposefully cultivated a very dry style when young and only later went back to learn gambit play (and, yes, wished he had done so earlier.)

What I doubt here is if they could actually have developed any other way than how they did given their particular personalities and environments. My guess is that both had the self-confidence and drive to correct their deficiencies later — but that this same self-confidence manifested itself, when younger, as a will to do things their own way.
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #63 - 10/31/08 at 20:47:19
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I'm not against playing something different against d4, but I've had more fun with the KID then any other opening against it.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #62 - 10/31/08 at 20:37:49
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MNb wrote on 10/31/08 at 10:08:40:


Seriously again, I really think Up and Comer should chose a repertoire that allows him to play as many different types of positions as possible. Even if he sticks to the C-K he should include one or two gambits in his repertoire as White. I sympathize with Willempie's suggestion that it is better to play the Open Games as White, amongst others for this reason. The combination of the Evans Gambit and 4.Ng5 vs. the Two Knights might let him reap more fruits than that Petrov thing. I am strongly convinced that studying tactics is one thing, putting them into practice another. The C-K has a lot of advantages, but doesn't really allow Black to launch dazzling combinations. And at least a few openings in Up and Comers repertoire should.
So Up and Comer, what is your repertoire vs. 1.d4 and what as White? Because I am not sure the C-K is the one you should give up.


Against d4 I play the kings indian defense, which I think is fantastic and is something I have had great success with, and I think I am going to be learning the benoni some time in the future. As white I play d4.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #61 - 10/31/08 at 20:34:41
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Yes, unless you compensate it by playing openings aimed at active piece play against 1.d4 (like the Tarrasch) and/or as White. If your main priority is improving mastering active piece play is mandatory. I have known a talented player, considerable stronger than me and slighty older, who again and again got his strategical masterpieces spoiled by missing some tactics. I would not be surprised if it costed him 100 ELO-points at least. To paraphraze Willempie: he could strangle his opponents like Tarrasch or destroy them like Nimzovitch, but invariably lost when he had to play like Morphy (or Anderssen or Spielmann) or defend against such a type.

Willempie wrote on 10/31/08 at 10:42:18:
my experience in the open games, which I played exclusively from when I was 6 up until around 20.

Smiley About the right age one should play the Open Games exclusively. I repeat, in that stage it is quite futile to ponder over theoretical subtleties like you do. Your argument that one can practice active piece play with a clever repertoire as White and/or as Black as well is valid though. The same with your argument that once can save time by chosing another option but 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6. In fact that made me considering the Petrov.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #60 - 10/31/08 at 19:11:40
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I'm 1800 and have not played e5 in a tournament game. Although, I've tried it a bit in blitz and have played against it. The same goes for the QGD. Am I slowing down my potential progress? Should I still go back and play e5?
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #59 - 10/31/08 at 16:45:25
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Maturin13 wrote on 10/31/08 at 15:26:37:


So when Markovich writes:

Markovich wrote on 10/31/08 at 14:28:25:


There is no second best.  Either play 1...e5 or doom yourself to slow progress in chess.  I don't take on students who don't play 1...e5, and I equally refuse contribute to your folly by suggesting an alternative system.  The huge mistake that "up and comers" make is supposing that choice of system is a matter of taste.  At the lower levels of play, it isn't, not if improvement is your goal.


how can we take such absolutes seriously?


The degree of rhetorical excess in my statement is actually quite slight.  For the vast majority of players, I am very certain that these generalizations are true.  So when a random aspiring player comes here and asks for advice, I will give it to him with the bark on.  He can take it for what it is worth, or go study the Pirc Defense for all I care.

The player Paddy talked about is like nothing I have ever encountered, and not having been familiar with his case, I will maintain my respectful doubt that he did better along his preferred lines than he would have with the standard regimen.  I do concede that some students are so talented that they will prosper even if they impede themselves with a suboptimal choice of system.

I share you view that these discussions eventually become tedious, but since these people do come here and ask for advice, and since some people (mostly those who haven't coached young people) dispute my essential points, these disputes will continue to recur.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #58 - 10/31/08 at 15:26:37
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When this argument comes up, as it does every few months, I'm reminded of an earlier thread on the same topic. A lot of generalities were thrown around but there was exactly one specific example used. 

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1106089438/21#21

Paddy strongly endorsed the open games for beginners (and, yes, explicitly stated his "strong agreement" with Markovich on the topic), but also cautioned:

"But it definitely seems that there are also some players who do not prosper on this diet - they are capable of becoming "average club players", or even beyond,  but cannot (or will not) absorb the sheer amount of detail required to play an "open games" repertoire.  Not everyone is the same (thank goodness). 

"I'd add that one of my best ever students (now much stronger than me at over FIDE 2350 aged eighteen) was very uncomfortable with our club's usual suggested "open games" repertoire, and instead  put his foot down and insisted at the age of nine on playing the Queen's Gambit Exchange Variation as White and the O'Kelly Sicilian and the Schmid Benoni as Black!  As I recall he won the British U10 championship playing this repertoire! But he's definitely an exception - my experience tells me that open games and simple, direct aggressive plans are best for the vast majority of learners."

Markovich's immediate suspicion was that some adult had been pushing the student to play these openings. But Paddy replied:

"No he was just single-minded!  The open games were just too scary for him and he was determined to play 1 d4 as White and the Sicilian as Black. After some negotiation and trial and error we went for: White QGD Exchange; Saemisch v KID; Leningrad v Nimzo; Black: Sicilian O'Kelly (a huge point winner for him in junior chess) and Schmid Benoni for the rare occasions that he had to face 1 d4. Odd, but this repertoire served him well for several years. He eventually switched  to the Kan Sicilian and the Nimzo/Bogo complex with Black, but his White repertoire stayed pretty much the same for much longer. He was about FIDE 2000 aged eleven, had a couple of years when he didn't play much mid-teens (it's so uncool to be good at chess), came back with revived enthusiasm a couple of years ago and is now pushing for IM."

So when Markovich writes:

Markovich wrote on 10/31/08 at 14:28:25:


There is no second best.  Either play 1...e5 or doom yourself to slow progress in chess.  I don't take on students who don't play 1...e5, and I equally refuse contribute to your folly by suggesting an alternative system.  The huge mistake that "up and comers" make is supposing that choice of system is a matter of taste.  At the lower levels of play, it isn't, not if improvement is your goal.


how can we take such absolutes seriously?
  
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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #57 - 10/31/08 at 14:28:25
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up and comer wrote on 10/30/08 at 20:05:54:
I am seeing alot of you guys suggesting that I learn a whole new opening because its the ends all and only way to chess greatness. I digress from that. The reason I play the caro is because it allows me to bypass all the little traps and pitfalls you can fall into in a lot of the other responses in king pawn openings, and sets the game up so that its just your strength as a chess player vs your opponents. I generally don't feel like it's a passive or boring opening otherwise I wouldn"t bother playing it. Something like the tarrasch I consider boring which is why I play the KID against d4. One day I will probably study e5 when I am higher rated, maybe in the 2000's, but right now I am doing just fine with the caro kann. 

That being said I want to learn something new and add to my game but I don't think that e4-e5 is something I would enjoy right now. e4-c5 is something I am considering but there's tons of theory involved. Are there any other suggestions you guys might have?


There is no second best.  Either play 1...e5 or doom yourself to slow progress in chess.  I don't take on students who don't play 1...e5, and I equally refuse contribute to your folly by suggesting an alternative system.  The huge mistake that "up and comers" make is supposing that choice of system is a matter of taste.  At the lower levels of play, it isn't, not if improvement is your goal.

Somebody said earlier that it may be necessary for a 1200 to play open positions, but not for a 1500.  I consider that position ludicrous.  What, is a 1500 sometimes capable of knocking off a chess master in an open position?  No player bent on improvement who has not done that once or twice should play anything other than open systems.

The other thing I will say is that work on tactics exercises, not opening preparation, should consume most of your study time.  That's another reason you should aim for open positions: they offer many more opportunities for tactics.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #56 - 10/31/08 at 10:42:18
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MNb wrote on 10/31/08 at 10:08:40:
This is all well and true as soon as you have reached a certain level of play (btw I find 2100 and 2000 quite high; I would say 1700). Markovich' and my point is that a young improving player who choses the French has to deal with more than open positions, a point which you still don't deny. So, with a lot of exaggeration, you want to teach solving equations while your pupils even don't know what a variable means. 

To use an analogy as well: When you learn German in school you do this basically by learning words and basic grammar in the first two years. However when you are from Limburg (or maybe Twente) and have regular contact with Germans, this method is not as useful and it may be better to put the wordlearning at a lower level and in stead let them read books, probably even books which are above their level.

In short I think you will learn more by playing a French, CK or Petrov (with the learning of the opening included) and use the time saved for other things than openings IF you have no real affinity with 1..e5. 
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The other point is that the theoretical advantage you describe (which in fact is only true for the Scotch (and even here disputable) and the Ruy Lopez and not for the Italian) isn't very meaningful on <1700 level. Also you forget to mention that actually Black can open the position at a quite early stage if White choses something stodgy, either with ...d5 or by preparing ...f5.

OK I should be less generalising. The Hungarian defense usually gives a small center, the Bd2/Nc3-Giouco does (albeit with often an isolated pawn). Your point about d5 I already mentioned in another post as it is often the only plan black has in the open games.
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Finally you probably will enjoy the news that in the CL I had no problem at all to equalize after 3...Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 b5 (and in 25 years I haven't seen any book claiming more than equality for WHite after 5...Na5, not even that excellent Euwe repertoire book; he might have invented the genre). I strongly suspect that your evaluation of this line is influenced by your aversion to gambits in general, which may be caused by you playing the C-K too long.  Wink So Up and Comer, Willempie is a good example of the kind of prejudices you will get when you continue playing the C-K.  Cheesy

Firstly I havent played the CK that long. 
Secondly I do play gambits, though I more often accept them. As you know in the CL I have an excellent score with accepting the poisoned pawn in the Najdorf, while I often play the poisoned pawn of the Winawer as black. Incidentally both are very open, tactical lines.
Thirdly in the TKD you are a pawn down and it is not as easy as you suggest to play this as black. The compensation is less clear than say a Benko and more like say a Marshall Ruy. Meaning that at higher levels the compensation is enough, but at lower levels requires some sophistication by studying the lines quite deeply. In my experience I never met people on the board who could reproduce their studies. At some point they play suboptimal (ie allowing a free developing move) and then they are just a pawn down.
Fourthly I may be prejudiced against some lines and openings, but in this case it has more to do with my experience in the open games, which I played exclusively from when I was 6 up until around 20.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #55 - 10/31/08 at 10:08:40
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This is all well and true as soon as you have reached a certain level of play (btw I find 2100 and 2000 quite high; I would say 1700). Markovich' and my point is that a young improving player who choses the French has to deal with more than open positions, a point which you still don't deny. So, with a lot of exaggeration, you want to teach solving equations while your pupils even don't know what a variable means. The other point is that the theoretical advantage you describe (which in fact is only true for the Scotch (and even here disputable) and the Ruy Lopez and not for the Italian) isn't very meaningful on <1700 level. Also you forget to mention that actually Black can open the position at a quite early stage if White choses something stodgy, either with ...d5 or by preparing ...f5.
Finally you probably will enjoy the news that in the CL I had no problem at all to equalize after 3...Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 b5 (and in 25 years I haven't seen any book claiming more than equality for WHite after 5...Na5, not even that excellent Euwe repertoire book; he might have invented the genre). I strongly suspect that your evaluation of this line is influenced by your aversion to gambits in general, which may be caused by you playing the C-K too long.  Wink So Up and Comer, Willempie is a good example of the kind of prejudices you will get when you continue playing the C-K.  Cheesy

Seriously again, I really think Up and Comer should chose a repertoire that allows him to play as many different types of positions as possible. Even if he sticks to the C-K he should include one or two gambits in his repertoire as White. I sympathize with Willempie's suggestion that it is better to play the Open Games as White, amongst others for this reason. The combination of the Evans Gambit and 4.Ng5 vs. the Two Knights might let him reap more fruits than that Petrov thing. I am strongly convinced that studying tactics is one thing, putting them into practice another. The C-K has a lot of advantages, but doesn't really allow Black to launch dazzling combinations. And at least a few openings in Up and Comers repertoire should.
So Up and Comer, what is your repertoire vs. 1.d4 and what as White? Because I am not sure the C-K is the one you should give up.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #54 - 10/31/08 at 08:42:15
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MNb wrote on 10/30/08 at 10:21:31:
I always have thought it was White's task to give Black problems because of his right to move first. Must I conclude that you think 3...Nf6 equal? Anyhow, both 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 and ...b5 6.Bf1 Nd4 give White not real, but unsolvable problems to prove more than equality.

Back in the old days I dont remember seeing much of b5 and the main line didnt give me too much trouble. It was actually my looking at the Traxler that caused me to dump Ng5. I may look the theory up again as these are fun lines, though I remember a relatively recent game of Short in the TKD, which raised some doubts on your claim.
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Ah, I see the confusion. I call Nc3/d3 the Canal Variation indeed and c3/d3 the Giuoco Pianissimo. Yes, after 4.Nc3 Black has problems to bring up a lively game, but not to prove equality. I suggest 3...Nf6 4.d3 (4.Nc3 Nxe4) Be7 and again a strategy that involves ...f5.
So I maintain that your description of the Open Games was incorrect. You seem to suggest that the Open Games are troublesome for Black because he can't prove more than plain equality in all lines, which I find a peculiar point of view.

I think that it isnt plain equality. As white you usually still have the initiative.
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Finally you haven't adressed Markovich' and mine argument that closed positions usually become open, but open positions never get closed. From a didactical point of view it's better to learn how to handle open positions first. I mean, before learning how to solve equations one must know what variables are, don't you think? But I agree that the Open Games are not the only way to strive for open positions, though I have my doubt on the French indeed. The C-K would in fact be a reasonable candidate thanks to 3.exd5 and 3...dxe4. Your point on endgames is a reasonable one, but as Slates has made clear, C-K addicts are not used to early tactics.

Firstly my argument is that the open games take too much time (from scratch, though as above I like your Petrov suggestion) for the cause of reaching open positions. So it is probably better to invest less time for a new opening with the trade-off that you may get less open positions.

Now for the argument:
The open positions in 1.e4 e5 are a result of white pushing d4 and black capturing that pawn. In almost all these lines white has a lasting initiative (provided he stays away from d4 as a gambit) due to him having the small center and thus the initiative. This happens in the Scotch, minor lines in the Ruy and lines in the Giuoco complex. Whenever black does soemthing else the position usually becomes closed. Think the closed Ruy, Hanham Philidor and a couple of lines in the Giouco complex where white pushes d4-d5. So imo the open games often dont lead to open play and when they do you are not on equal ground as white has the small center.

With an opening like the French it is true that usually closed positions occur but black is the one who opens up the position or not (f6 and c5). When/If he does that he has the center pawns. Sure white has the initiative in most these lines, but black has the structural backing of the center pawns to ward off that initiative. So other openings can definately lead to open positions as well if you are willing, but eg in the French you are not giving up the center pawns. I am a big Tarrasch fan in this respect and I think that having your stake in the center is even more important than having open positions for improving your play. 

That is why I like your Petrov suggestion as it gives black his fair share of the center.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #53 - 10/31/08 at 08:18:13
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MNb wrote on 10/31/08 at 00:45:07:
OK, let's get practical and concrete. Don't switch to the Scandinavian, some people see it as an inferior version of the C-K and there is a core of truth in it. It's also too early for the Sicilian, you might consider it after another 4, 5 years. My recommendation is the Petrov. You will get open positions which demand actice piece play, you will have to calculate and you might quite often use your endgame skills too.

While we still disagree on the rest, I think this is a good suggestion. Petrov cuts off a lot of theory, while not sacrificing soundness. It is also similar to the Caro-Kann, but imo slightly more active. Euwe suggested it as well in his opening repertoire book so it cant be bad in any way.
  

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MNb wrote on 10/31/08 at 00:45:07:
OK, let's get practical and concrete. Don't switch to the Scandinavian, some people see it as an inferior version of the C-K and there is a core of truth in it. It's also too early for the Sicilian, you might consider it after another 4, 5 years. My recommendation is the Petrov. You will get open positions which demand actice piece play, you will have to calculate and you might quite often use your endgame skills too.

A) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4
-5.Qe2 Qe7 and grind your opponent down the C-K way.
-5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Bf4 (7.Be3) Nc6 8.Qd2 Be6 9.0-0-0 Bxa2 Kleijn-Van Delft, NEDchT 2008 and Black attacks. Of course Black also can chose some ultrasolid defence a la Kramnik.

5...d5 6.Bd3 Bd6
This move, preferred by Marshall, is more ambitious than 6...Be7. Black tries to develop counterplay based on Ne4.

7.0-0 0-0 8.c4 c6
and if Black can play 9...f5 the game can become pretty sharp.


B) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3
-4.dxe5 d5

4...d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4!? 8.c4 0-0-0 9.c5
and now either 9...g6 or 9...g5.


C) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5
-4.g3 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2 Nxc3 7.bxc3 Bd6 8.0-0 0-0 see a great game Conquest-Van der Sterren,1993.
-4.Bc4 Nxe4 5.Nxe4 (5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nxe4 d5 dominating the centre; the inconvenience after 7.Ng5+ Kg8 is only temporary; 5.0-0 Nxc3 6.dxc3 f6 7.Nh4 g6 8.f4 Qe7 9.f5 Qg7) d5 6.Bd3 (6.Bb5 dxe4 7.Nxe5 Qg5!) dxe4 7.Bxe4 Bd6 8.d4 exd4 9.Bxc6+ bxc6 10.Qxd4 0-0 11.0-0 c5 12.Qc3 Bb7 and Black has attacking chances.
-4.d4 exd4 (Bb4) 5.Nd5 is the Belgrade Gambit; 5.Nxd4 is a variation of the Scotch.

4...Bc5
-The strategical approach is the symmetrical 4...Bb4.

5.Nxe5
-5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 (6.Nxe5 Nd4) d6 7.Be3 Nd4.

5...Nd4 6.Be2
-6.0-0 0-0 7.Bc4 d6 8.Nf3 Bg4 9.Be2 Nxe2+ 10.Qxe2 Re8 11.d3 d5!?
-6.Ba4 and 6.Bc4 transpose to wellknown variations (4...Nd4 5.Ba4/5.Bc4 Bc5 6.Nxe5).

6...d5 7.Nd3 Nxe4!? 8.Nxe4 dxe4 9.Nxc5 Qg5 10.Nxe4 Qxg2 11.Ng3 h5 is an unclear sacrifice proposed by Fine. It's nice to figure out Black's attacking chances with the aid of a computer.

D) 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3
-there are some innocent deviations like 4.Bc4, 4.Bb5+ and 4.Qf3

4...Nf6
This is the sound Modern Defence. White wants an advantageous endgame; Black's strategy is to hamper White's development, especially Bc1. Fine sample games are Eley-Bouwmeester, Vlissingen 1972 and Hartston-Spassky, Hastings 1966.

E) 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3
-3.c3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Nf3 Nc6 8.Be2 Ne4 (0-0) Nyholm-Alekhine, Stockholm 1912.
-3.Bc4 Nf6 (Bb4+ is nice if Black wants to refute the Danish/Göring stuff) 4.Nf3 d5 (White really hopes for 4...Nxe4; 4...Bc5 is to be considered but 4...Bb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.0-0 is a sort of improved Danish Gambit) 5.exd5 Bb4+ 6.c3 Qe7+.

3...Bc5
-If Black does not mind the Scotch 3...Nc6 is logical. 3...Bb4+ 4.c3 (4.Bd2, 4.Nbd2) dxc3 5.Nxc3 (5.bxc3 Be7 6.Bc4 d5! 7.exd5 Nf6 and 8...0-0) Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 d6 7.Bc4 Nc6 transposes to the Göring Gambit.

4.Bc4
-4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d5.
-4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 d6 6.Bc4 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 is a line of the Scotch Gambit.

4.....,d6 5.c3 dxc3 6.Qb3 Qe7 7.Nxc3 c6 8.0-0 Nd7.

F) 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4
-3.Nf3 Nc6
-3.Bc4 Nc6 4.d3 Na5 5.Nge2 (5.Bg5 Nxc4 6.dxc4 Be7; 5.Bb3 Nxb3 6.axb3 d5) c6 and Black only takes the bishop when it suits him.

3...d5 4.fxe5 Nxe4 5.Nf3
-6.d3 Nxc3 6.bxc3 d4 7.Nf3 Nc6 8.cxd4 Bb4+ 9.Bd2 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Nxd4

5...Bc5 6.d4
-6.Qe2 Bf2+ (Bf5 7.Nd1 d4 8.g4 Bg6 9.Bg2 0-0! Keres) 7.Kd1 Nxc3+ 8.dxc3 Bh4!?

6...Bb4 7.Bd2
-7.Qd3 c5

7...Nxd2
and Black has a satisfactory game.

G) 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3
-3.Nf3 Nxe4 4.Nc3 Nxc3 5.dxc3 f6 6.Nh4 (6.0-0 Nc6) g6 7.f4 (7.0-0 c6) Qe7 8.f5 Qg7 and Black is fine.

3...Bc5 4.Nc3
-4.Nf3

4...c6 5.Nf3
-5.f4 (trying to reach the KGD) exf4 6.Bxf4 d5 7.exd5 0-0 with excellent gambit play.

5...d5
-5...d6 is less ambitious but equally sound. This is a Giuoco Pianissimo with colours reversed. Black should not play ...Re8 too early because of x.Ng5 and y.f4.

6.exd5 cxd5 7.Bb5+ Bd7.
This is a Giuoco Piano with colours reversed and it's not easy for White to prove that the extra tempo is meaningful.

Purchase Emms for other 2nd move deviatins; from the recent repertoire books with the Open Games he is the most ambitious. Introduce this gradually; begin against weaker opponents. Later you might switch to 2...Nc6, now 2...Nf6 will save you considerable time.



Thank you for the advice and the time you took to write all that  Smiley. I think I will take your advice and give 1 ..e5 a try some time, but know that I feel that I am a strong tactical player already. The first chess book I ever read was 303 tricky checkmates when I was 8. When I look over grandmaster games, and games shown as demonstrations in books, I can usually see the underlying tactics that are going on behind the scenes. I feel like the thing I am weakest at by alot right now is the endgame although I know all the check mate patterns and the basics of king/pawn endgames. If I was rated right now on my mastery of certain parts of chess I would probably rate 16-1700+ for my middle game positional and tactical skills, atm maybe 1400 for my openings because I took such a long break from chess, and something like 12-1300 for my endgames. These are all rough guesses though, I could be much higher or lower in any of the categories, but this is how I view my game right now.
  

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Re: Looking for a new opening against e4
Reply #51 - 10/31/08 at 00:45:07
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OK, let's get practical and concrete. Don't switch to the Scandinavian, some people see it as an inferior version of the C-K and there is a core of truth in it. It's also too early for the Sicilian, you might consider it after another 4, 5 years. My recommendation is the Petrov. You will get open positions which demand actice piece play, you will have to calculate and you might quite often use your endgame skills too.

A) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4
-5.Qe2 Qe7 and grind your opponent down the C-K way.
-5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Bf4 (7.Be3) Nc6 8.Qd2 Be6 9.0-0-0 Bxa2 Kleijn-Van Delft, NEDchT 2008 and Black attacks. Of course Black also can chose some ultrasolid defence a la Kramnik.

5...d5 6.Bd3 Bd6
This move, preferred by Marshall, is more ambitious than 6...Be7. Black tries to develop counterplay based on Ne4.

7.0-0 0-0 8.c4 c6
and if Black can play 9...f5 the game can become pretty sharp.


B) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3
-4.dxe5 d5

4...d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4!? 8.c4 0-0-0 9.c5
and now either 9...g6 or 9...g5.


C) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5
-4.g3 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Bg2 Nxc3 7.bxc3 Bd6 8.0-0 0-0 see a great game Conquest-Van der Sterren,1993.
-4.Bc4 Nxe4 5.Nxe4 (5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nxe4 d5 dominating the centre; the inconvenience after 7.Ng5+ Kg8 is only temporary; 5.0-0 Nxc3 6.dxc3 f6 7.Nh4 g6 8.f4 Qe7 9.f5 Qg7) d5 6.Bd3 (6.Bb5 dxe4 7.Nxe5 Qg5!) dxe4 7.Bxe4 Bd6 8.d4 exd4 9.Bxc6+ bxc6 10.Qxd4 0-0 11.0-0 c5 12.Qc3 Bb7 and Black has attacking chances.
-4.d4 exd4 (Bb4) 5.Nd5 is the Belgrade Gambit; 5.Nxd4 is a variation of the Scotch.

4...Bc5
-The strategical approach is the symmetrical 4...Bb4.

5.Nxe5
-5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 (6.Nxe5 Nd4) d6 7.Be3 Nd4.

5...Nd4 6.Be2
-6.0-0 0-0 7.Bc4 d6 8.Nf3 Bg4 9.Be2 Nxe2+ 10.Qxe2 Re8 11.d3 d5!?
-6.Ba4 and 6.Bc4 transpose to wellknown variations (4...Nd4 5.Ba4/5.Bc4 Bc5 6.Nxe5).

6...d5 7.Nd3 Nxe4!? 8.Nxe4 dxe4 9.Nxc5 Qg5 10.Nxe4 Qxg2 11.Ng3 h5 is an unclear sacrifice proposed by Fine. It's nice to figure out Black's attacking chances with the aid of a computer.

D) 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 exf4 4.Nf3
-there are some innocent deviations like 4.Bc4, 4.Bb5+ and 4.Qf3

4...Nf6
This is the sound Modern Defence. White wants an advantageous endgame; Black's strategy is to hamper White's development, especially Bc1. Fine sample games are Eley-Bouwmeester, Vlissingen 1972 and Hartston-Spassky, Hastings 1966.

E) 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3
-3.c3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 Nf6 6.Nc3 Bb4 7.Nf3 Nc6 8.Be2 Ne4 (0-0) Nyholm-Alekhine, Stockholm 1912.
-3.Bc4 Nf6 (Bb4+ is nice if Black wants to refute the Danish/Göring stuff) 4.Nf3 d5 (White really hopes for 4...Nxe4; 4...Bc5 is to be considered but 4...Bb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.0-0 is a sort of improved Danish Gambit) 5.exd5 Bb4+ 6.c3 Qe7+.

3...Bc5
-If Black does not mind the Scotch 3...Nc6 is logical. 3...Bb4+ 4.c3 (4.Bd2, 4.Nbd2) dxc3 5.Nxc3 (5.bxc3 Be7 6.Bc4 d5! 7.exd5 Nf6 and 8...0-0) Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 d6 7.Bc4 Nc6 transposes to the Göring Gambit.

4.Bc4
-4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d5.
-4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 d6 6.Bc4 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 is a line of the Scotch Gambit.

4.....,d6 5.c3 dxc3 6.Qb3 Qe7 7.Nxc3 c6 8.0-0 Nd7.

F) 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4
-3.Nf3 Nc6
-3.Bc4 Nc6 4.d3 Na5 5.Nge2 (5.Bg5 Nxc4 6.dxc4 Be7; 5.Bb3 Nxb3 6.axb3 d5) c6 and Black only takes the bishop when it suits him.

3...d5 4.fxe5 Nxe4 5.Nf3
-6.d3 Nxc3 6.bxc3 d4 7.Nf3 Nc6 8.cxd4 Bb4+ 9.Bd2 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Nxd4

5...Bc5 6.d4
-6.Qe2 Bf2+ (Bf5 7.Nd1 d4 8.g4 Bg6 9.Bg2 0-0! Keres) 7.Kd1 Nxc3+ 8.dxc3 Bh4!?

6...Bb4 7.Bd2
-7.Qd3 c5

7...Nxd2
and Black has a satisfactory game.

G) 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3
-3.Nf3 Nxe4 4.Nc3 Nxc3 5.dxc3 f6 6.Nh4 (6.0-0 Nc6) g6 7.f4 (7.0-0 c6) Qe7 8.f5 Qg7 and Black is fine.

3...Bc5 4.Nc3
-4.Nf3

4...c6 5.Nf3
-5.f4 (trying to reach the KGD) exf4 6.Bxf4 d5 7.exd5 0-0 with excellent gambit play.

5...d5
-5...d6 is less ambitious but equally sound. This is a Giuoco Pianissimo with colours reversed. Black should not play ...Re8 too early because of x.Ng5 and y.f4.

6.exd5 cxd5 7.Bb5+ Bd7.
This is a Giuoco Piano with colours reversed and it's not easy for White to prove that the extra tempo is meaningful.

Purchase Emms for other 2nd move deviatins; from the recent repertoire books with the Open Games he is the most ambitious. Introduce this gradually; begin against weaker opponents. Later you might switch to 2...Nc6, now 2...Nf6 will save you considerable time.
  

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