tipau wrote on 11/02/08 at 23:00:09:


Ok, you can add there that he has to be happy with 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3/2.Bg5 as well

I've never used the Modern myself against 1.e4 but the Dutch Leningrad in my main defence to 1.d4 and for a while I used 1.Nf3 d6 to invite a modern (with White's critical f4 lines having been removed). I've always liked playing against the various anti-Dutch lines and I was tempted to start playing the Modern against 1.e4 as well as it seemed (seems) like a nice repetoire to me.

tipau wrote on 11/02/08 at 23:00:09:

That is true in a sense, but it is also inconsistent to give a White d4-player the choice of whether to face the Leningrad (1.d4 d6 2.c4 f5) or the Modern (1.d4 d6 2.e4 g6 3.c4!); assuming White knows his opponent. A Modern-only repertoire instead would reduce White's options, so what function does the Leningrad really serve in this repertoire!?

tipau wrote on 11/02/08 at 23:00:09:
Black would not play 1...f5, that's a different topic altogether. The main point of the repertoire discussed here is to avoid 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3/2.Bg5/2.e4.

Besides, MNb is right: After 1.d4 d6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3/4.g3 Black has waited too long with ...f5 and it will now be met by 5.e4! and White must be better. In a standard Leningrad the early ...f5 and ...Nf6 makes White work harder for his e4-break. Actually even 1.d4 d6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 f5?! 4.e4! is too late, which explains why 2.c4 f5! has become the standard "delayed Leningrad" move order.

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When I had read that article I came to the conclusion that Black first should decide what to do against 1.e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.Nc3 and only then complete his repertoire. If you don't like meeting this the rest doesn't make sense.
My next conclusion was that the Leningrad was especially handy against some irregular setups: 1.d4 d6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e3 f5 and against queen pawn openings. After 4.Nf3 and 4.g3 (iso 4.e3) it must be either something "Modern" or the KID. The main lines of the Leningrad do not combine well with Tiger's Modern or stuff like that.

I once found a website which covered a repertoire for black,
based on the leningrad against the queen's pawn games and tiger's modern against ... e4 (maybe anyone here knows the website, I think I got the link from this forum), so I was just wondering how black could stay in this repertoire against this move order.

No this is not my repertoire, I just asked out of pure curiosity, I once played the leningrad and tiger's modern myself (independently from each other in different times), also otb, but I am not anymore too fond of them. They are pseudo-active, there are better openings for black in my opinion.

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The KID is probably best but you can keep it a Modern by avoiding/delaying ...Nf6. The position after 3...Bg7 is known as the Averbakh Variation. After 4.Nc3 or Nf3 4...Nd7 is one move order, while Hillarp Persson recommended 4...e5 in "Tiger's Modern" and Davies the waiting move 4...a6 after either 4.Nc3 or 4.Nf3 (or is it 4...Bg4 against the latter?) in his "Starting Out: The Modern".

I don't think any of these Averbakh lines give Black equality, but when you play the Modern maybe that's not your goal anyway. The big advantage of a Leningrad/Pirc or Leningrad/Philidor combo instead is that White will not get both c4 and e4 in early.

Hello,

I have frequently heard of the leningrad/modern combination starting with ... d6 avoiding gambits ... I just have one question ...
what do you play against 
1.e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 !?
now there is no more modern possible, a transposition to the kid is recommended, but this is not in the repertoire, how can you get into the leningrad after this moverorder?