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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #10 - 10/30/08 at 15:29:12
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 The chapter in the Flear book is good enough, but it suffers from the same problem that afflicts the rest of the book - limited space allowed.

 Without wishing to veer off on a tangent, I've been having great fun analyzing, and achieving much success as black at the board, with the venerable idea   e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 0-0 Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 0-0 h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cd cd Bb7 d5 Bc8 Nf1 Ne8.    Not fashionable, and far from the cutting edge, there would be no good reason for Glenn to explore this line in a topical opening book with as wide a remit as 'the Ruy Lopez mainline'.

  Back to the line in question.  Theory in the 9... Nd7 line must move at a Snail's pace, slower than even in the Chigorin.  I don't know of any revolutionary developments, and would not expect them any time soon (and that, it seems, is when they come along and overturn existing theory, out of the blue!). It is, and possibly forever shall be, just a good, solid defence; a reliable second string to any e5 player's repertoire.  Ideal for those days where, perhaps against slightly weaker opposition, you might not want to play the Chigorin, the Zaitsev, the Breyer, or whatever your favoured defence is, and expect to generate good winning chances.

  As is stated in Flear's book, 11. Be3 (9... Nd7 10. d4 Bf6 11. Be3) looks as much fun for Black as White after 11... Na5  12. Bc2 Nc4 13. Bc1 Bb7 14. a4 d5.   I can't see any recent games on the chessbase online database (admittedly, a limited resource, and one we all have access to - games referred to in this post won't be arcane, alas).  If you want more adventure, you could always try and recreate the masterpiece by Black that is Sznapik - Topalov, as featured in Taulbut's book 'Understanding the Spanish'.

  More interestingly, some games have been played in the critical line contested in  Volokitin - Blagojevic.   There isn't any point to posting the pgns here without analyzing them properly first, but it might be worth comparing them with Khalifman's analysis in the awesome 'Opening according to Anand, Volume II' (my copy has gone yellow, coffee stained thumbs having rifled it so often. How can you play the Spanish with either colour without this book?)

  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 0-0 9. h3 Nd7 10. d4 Bf6 11. a4 Bb7 12. Na3 ed 13. cd Re8 14. ab ab 15. Bf4 Na5 16. Bc2 b4 17. Nb5 Bc6 18. Qd3 b3 19. Bb1
was Nijboer - Gargataglia Asis,  Barbera del valles 2007. 

  Rather than 19. Bb1, resulting in a position judged to offer White a 'slight pull' by Flear, yet offering 'perceptible counterplay' to Khalifman and Bezgodov, the latter pair recommend Bd1, and provide analysis.  This does not appear to have been played yet.

  All that and it's hard to believe early alternatives like 9... Nd7 10. d4 Nb6 and 9... Nd7 10. d4 Bf6 11. a4 Rb8  have been exhausted.

   
  
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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #9 - 10/30/08 at 15:24:34
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Emms calls it the Karpov variation in his "Easy Guide to the Ruy Lopez". That's also what Bykhovsky calls it IIRC. "The Ruy Lopez: A Guide for Black" says "9...Nd7, variously called the Keres, Karpov or Moscow variation". 

I examined it a few years ago, and concluded that it was a difficult defence for Black with a somewhat shaky theoretical status. The standard manoeuvre Nf3-h2-g4 gains force with a bishop on f6.

However, the basic strategy seems sound enough so the line may just need a new hero.
  

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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #8 - 10/30/08 at 15:20:13
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Thank you very much for the reactions. 
In the meantime, I found the Flear book. I'll try to have a look at the Anand-book.

@ TopNotch : forgive me to have waken up your reaction. For my defence :
* English isn't my best language at all
* I thought the name 'Karpov variation' was quite standard. I have a book from Bykhovsky (I believe) about the Zaitsev and Karpov variation (at least : that's the title of it). I found this reason enough to adopt this name without more consideration.
I am rated 2300 myself but never played 1...e5 nor 1.e4, so my knowledge of the specific Ruy Lopez variations is very limited. Until 2 weeks ago I couldn't tell you how to reach the Zaitsev variation...

Anyway : thank you for your extensive reaction!
  
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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #7 - 10/30/08 at 14:29:27
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I remember seeing a book recently, I forget which one, in which 9...Nd7 was called the "Karpov Variation."  I thought that was a little odd, since I remember its having been called it the "Strongpoint Variation" by several authors.  I dimly recall that Reuben Fine called it that, but I believe Leonard Barden did also.  I never knew it as the "Moscow Variation," but that shows what I know.
  

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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #6 - 10/30/08 at 08:07:16
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Glenn Flear's book on the main line Ruy has a Chapter which you might find useful as an update.
  
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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #5 - 10/29/08 at 22:38:36
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Roger Williamson wrote on 10/25/08 at 00:05:31:
  Do you mean the Ruy Lopez with 9... Nd7? 

  Forgive TopNotch's facetious reply, as this defence has more aliases than Carlos the Jackal. It may as well be the Sputnik defence, or rather the Keres-Ragozin-Karpov-Moscow-Sputnik defence.

  And, in answer to your question, I don't know.


I think the reply was spot on. If one is going to be facetious enough to ask for feedback on a subline of a mainline without giving all the relevant moves, then such poor etiquette should not be rewarded with a serious answer. Moreover, I am totally fed up of having to tell such types to supply moves when asking questions about specific opening lines and or variations, so I don't anymore. 

If on the other hand you want real answers, then take the time to phrase your questions sensibly and as with much detail as would allow for a reasonably considered reply, that should increase the chances of a useful answer significantly.

Karpov Variation?, I am an IM that plays 1.e4 and I didn't have a clue what he was talking about, at first I thought he was referring to Karpov's famous 11.Ng5 in the Open Ruy, which he introduced against Korchnoi in 1978, and then I thought maybe he really meant the Keres line that goes 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 c5 11.d4 Nd7 . Then I just lost interest until your post, which clarified things a bit.

To conclude my rant, the variation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Nd7 is named The Moscow Variation and not The Karpov Variation that is if Opening For White According To Anand (OFWATA) vol 2 is to be believed.

OFWATA devotes 13 pages of analysis to the Moscow variation and concludes: 

The system with 9...Nd7 had a good reputation for many years, though it has never risen to the status of a main line in the Ruy Lopez. It is notable for its strategic pecularity. Black pays less attention to the control over e4 than in most of the other systems and quite often decides to give up the centre for the sake of creating counterplay on the queen side. In this he is helped by the f6-bishop and pawn majority on the queenside. However, White still possesses the initiative. The classical attack on the kingside, connected with the advance e4-e5, often brings him success. But there are other, special opportunities, typical exactly of this system. First of all, this is the effective plan of pushing a2-a4 followed by Nb1a3.

In these Chapters we examined the most important positions of the system with 9...Nd7. After having studied them carefully you will have no problems to play correctly in this system - with White of course!
- End Quote  

For the specifics I can highly recommend acquiring the OFWATA book. 

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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #4 - 10/25/08 at 12:39:14
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Roger Williamson wrote on 10/25/08 at 00:05:31:
Forgive TopNotch's facetious reply

So it's very handy to include moves when asking a question like that.
  

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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #3 - 10/25/08 at 08:07:45
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Hi,

Yes, I mean 9...Nd7.
I have a book of Bykhovski on it, but it's from 1993 and covers this variation in only 10 pages or so.
  
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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #2 - 10/25/08 at 00:05:31
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  Do you mean the Ruy Lopez with 9... Nd7? 

  Forgive TopNotch's facetious reply, as this defence has more aliases than Carlos the Jackal. It may as well be the Sputnik defence, or rather the Keres-Ragozin-Karpov-Moscow-Sputnik defence.

  And, in answer to your question, I don't know.
  
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Re: Karpov variation
Reply #1 - 10/24/08 at 21:09:18
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Nightlamp wrote on 10/24/08 at 20:30:42:
Hi,

I found only 1 game featuring the Karpov variation.
What's the theoretical status of it? Are there important games to know and did anything appear on it lately?

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Yeah, and I haven't seen the Sputnik variation covered at all, so lets get some coverage of that soon also.

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Karpov variation
10/24/08 at 20:30:42
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Hi,

I found only 1 game featuring the Karpov variation.
What's the theoretical status of it? Are there important games to know and did anything appear on it lately?

regards
  
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