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Re: I voted.
Reply #26 - 11/05/08 at 06:15:00
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It's official!  The United States has elected its first Black President, and as so often when we finally get around to breaking the color barrier, the person who broke the barrier is already one of the best qualified presidents we've ever had!

John McCain showed in his concession speech the reason I thought he would make a good candidate in 2000 and 2004, but he was just too old and tired to climb to his own lofty goals this time.  Having said that, I wonder how many presidential candidates ever got more than 45 million votes before!  Obama not only earned more than 50 million, he won a clear majority!  YAY!

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Re: I voted.
Reply #25 - 11/05/08 at 01:11:48
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I live in California and when I went to vote there was no one in line.  Actually, I've never had to more than a few minutes to vote in any election.

I think the long lines are very much the exception.
For most people, in fact everyone I know, there really isn't a significant wait at all.  
But, short lines aren't news, so they cover the long ones....
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So, while there are some horrific lines,  that's in a tiny fraction of most places.  

however, it is encouraging that so many people have gotten off the couch to vote this year.  Obama FTW.  

  

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Re: I voted.
Reply #24 - 11/04/08 at 23:13:31
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Antillian wrote on 11/04/08 at 13:33:51:
I am really perplexed to see in the US news about these incredibly long waits - sometimes in excess of 3 or 4 hours. As someone coming from a tiny island and never having waited  more than 30 minutes to cast a vote in my life, I am stunned. Shocked

Yes I understand that the ballots in the US are incredibly long since you have to vote for federal, state and local officials as well as a host of random plebiscites. But surely the country with the greatest history of innovation in the world should be able to solve such logistical challenges. Huh


Part of the reason for this could be that such a highly energized electorate coupled with what many pundits are calling record breaking polling numbers, has simply led to an overwhelming of the system. I don't like the idea of mailing in a vote as a possible solution, since its too easy to tamper with mail and sometimes it gets inexplicably lost.

In my neck of the woods, an energized electorate and record breaking voter turn out invariably means that the incumbent has reached the end of the line and its time to try someone else. Being more or less ignorant of U.S politics and their traditional voting patterns, its hard for me to be sure which side these indicators really favor.

This election will be historic on so many levels, and is sure to be remembered for a long time to come. I am proud I lived to witness it.

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Re: I voted.
Reply #23 - 11/04/08 at 20:54:23
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Antillian wrote on 11/04/08 at 13:33:51:
I am really perplexed to see in the US news about these incredibly long waits - sometimes in excess of 3 or 4 hours. As someone coming from a tiny island and never having waited  more than 30 minutes to cast a vote in my life, I am stunned. Shocked

Yes I understand that the ballots in the US are incredibly long since you have to vote for federal, state and local officials as well as a host of random plebiscites. But surely the country with the greatest history of innovation in the world should be able to solve such logistical challenges. Huh


I am perplexed too. I have never waited any longer than 10 minutes in The Netherlands. Lines of two hours I am used to associate with first free elections in countries like Tadzjikistan.
At the other hand the procedure to participate in Dutch elections when living abroad is so complex that me living in Moengo effectively am prevented to vote.
  

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Re: I voted.
Reply #22 - 11/04/08 at 15:40:02
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Antillian wrote on 11/04/08 at 13:33:51:
I am really perplexed to see in the US news about these incredibly long waits - sometimes in excess of 3 or 4 hours. As someone coming from a tiny island and never having waited  more than 30 minutes to cast a vote in my life, I am stunned. Shocked

Yes I understand that the ballots in the US are incredibly long since you have to vote for federal, state and local officials as well as a host of random plebiscites. But surely the country with the greatest history of innovation in the world should be able to solve such logistical challenges. Huh


You would think so, but it is always in the interest of the Republican party to suppress the vote as much as possible, and there are a host of excuses for doing so.  In Oregon at least, all voting is by mail, and this is the direction that I think we are going in.
  

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Reply #21 - 11/04/08 at 13:33:51
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I am really perplexed to see in the US news about these incredibly long waits - sometimes in excess of 3 or 4 hours. As someone coming from a tiny island and never having waited  more than 30 minutes to cast a vote in my life, I am stunned. Shocked

Yes I understand that the ballots in the US are incredibly long since you have to vote for federal, state and local officials as well as a host of random plebiscites. But surely the country with the greatest history of innovation in the world should be able to solve such logistical challenges. Huh
  

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Reply #20 - 11/04/08 at 13:22:12
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My friends who went to the polls early here in Columbus, Ohio today (Tuesday, November 4th) reported that the lines were already two hours long when they got there.  Many Americans vote early on Election Day.  Coincidentally, my drive to work on I-71 was very easy; traffic was much lighter than usual.  This would be consistent with many people being at the polls this morning.
  

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Reply #19 - 11/03/08 at 18:16:20
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Obama gave a speech on the steps of the Ohio Statehouse yesterday (Sunday, November 2) and Betty and I went down to see him.  It was quite inspiring, but never before did I realize that Obama is only about 1.5 inches tall.  To elect such a tiny man will truly be a historic first.

But seriously, the news said that there were about 60,000 people there.  We were quite lucky to have a clear line of sight, there were so many people holding up kids on their shoulders.  The weather was beautiful.

I feel good about tomorrow.  Fox and the Republicans have been trying to create the impression that the race is tightening, but you couldn't prove it by anything happening here in Ohio.  The Columbus Dispatch did a poll, printed on Sunday, showing that Obama is up by 6 points statewide.  The Dispatch reported today that people stood in line at the Franklin County early polling station, on West Broad Street, until midnight this morning just to vote.  The law says that if you're in line by 5:00 pm, they can't turn you away.  A very high proportion of these early voters are for Obama.

McCain can't win without Ohio.

P.S. Since I'm white and over 60, the Republicans think I'm a prime target for their hate literature.  We've been receiving dozens of their mailers that try to associate Obama with terrorism, anti-Americanism, and so on, and so forth.  Everything but what the real message is: he's black.  And it says right on the return address, "Ohio Republican Party."  It would be funny if it weren't so disgusting.
  

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Re: I voted.
Reply #18 - 11/03/08 at 03:18:44
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I think Biden was a good choice for the reason you gave:  
something could happen to Obama, and Biden would be president.

I think Obama (and his team) separated the campaign from the office.

The United States are in tough times now and we'd need someone to take over that could actually handle the crisis.  Imagine how much worse things would get if the President was assassinated...

I think it's safe to say that in this regard, Biden was a much better choice than Palin.  She was an attempt to help win the election, I think Biden was more of an attempt to actually lead the country.  

  

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Reply #17 - 11/02/08 at 19:19:36
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Biden was a terrible vice presidential choice tactically.  He secured the Irish Catholic Socialists among us, but I was already going to vote for Obama!

Biden was an excellent choice for a person to succeed as president, and probably the best choice of those whose last name wasn't Clinton.  Since having Hillary would have been suicidal to his campaign, I was pleased with Obama.  

Obama has been taking risks at every turn, and they all seem to work for him.  The 30 minute ad really was dangerous considering he was leading at the time and he knew he would be attacked for spending too much and for anything substantive he said.  He also risked alienating any voters whose favorite tv program had been interrupted.  Yet his ad was brilliantly on message with just the right tones.  

I voted for Bill Clinton, and I will be voting for Obama.  I think these will be the first two presidential candidates that I will have voted for and have won.  I'm beginning to feel pretty good about this whole election process.   

(Yes, I also voted for Gore, who won.  But let's not go there)

  
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Reply #16 - 11/02/08 at 02:21:37
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I support Obama as well in this election. Mainly because of his policy positions, and because of how much more intelligent and capable he is compared to McCain. There are a lot of other reasons I like Obama better as well. I really like Biden his vp pick and I know who he is and what he's all about (I've watched him talk in the senate on cspan quite a few times), where on the other hand I think Palin was a horrible choice, only picked in the hopes she would win over disgruntled Hillary supporters because she was a woman. McCain completely flip flopped on everything he "believed" in back in 2000 just so that he could get his parties nomination, where as the only flip flop I've seen from Obama is the public financing decision. Also McCain has run a very negative false campaign built on lies and character smears, compared to Obama who has run a pretty positive campaign overall, although he has been attacking McCain somewhat after he picked Biden.
  

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Reply #15 - 11/01/08 at 21:25:23
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RE: Admittedly most of the U.S. Networks were guilty of some level of bias, but I must say FOX News took it to a whole new distasteful level. So much so that I would find it difficult to believe any news coming from that network, even so much as a weather report I would second guess.

Sometimes my girlfriend and I will stop by a Mcdonald's for coffee and a muffin in the morning.  McDonald's always has FOX News on the morning (which is frustrating).  But I found that when McCain was ahead in the polls, or very close to tied, they kept talking about how Americans were moving away from Obama (the muslim terrorist) and how the Obama campaign was a failure.  Then when Obama started taking some significant leads in the polls,  the story suddenly became "how reliable is polling?" and "does polling matter anyway?"  I had to laugh.  One "analyst" said "It doesn't matter who people like, it matters who they vote for."  

Basically, the data is very important when it says what you want, and suddenly becomes unreliable or insignificant when it doesn't. 
FOX news...there's an oxymoron for you.
  

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Reply #14 - 11/01/08 at 09:20:13
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kylemeister wrote on 10/31/08 at 22:04:21:
apparently about a third of Americans don't know which of the two major US political parties is considered more liberal, and which more conservative.

Frankly I find it also often hard to tell. I don't think someone like Brzezinsky (during the Carter government) is more liberal than Rice or Powell. Possibly the cause is that from my point of view both big parties and their candidates are firmly right wing. My preference for the Democrats is based on the judgment that the Republicans haven't had a competent candidate since Eisenhower, with the possible exception of Bush sr.
  

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Reply #13 - 10/31/08 at 22:04:21
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TopNotch's point about the use of "socialist" etc. put me in mind of a poll result I came across recently, which indicated that apparently about a third of Americans don't know which of the two major US political parties is considered more liberal, and which more conservative.  Higher than the approximately one-fourth of Texans who think Obama is Muslim ...
  
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Re: I voted.
Reply #12 - 10/31/08 at 09:01:05
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I am not convinced by either candidate. I just think that the risk of Palin becoming prez is real and she definately is not "presidential material". I also think that Obama has one advantage over McCain in that he is able to change (I am starting to hate that word) a mindset. So americans may be a bit more positive, which may help in overcoming the economic mess created by Bush (or should I say Cheney), Greenspan and their mobster gang. He can also change the image of America abroad, which is from my view the most important problem at this moment.

But next week we'll know who gets voted into the big brother house Wink
  

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