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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #244 - 03/28/09 at 21:12:59
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exigentsky wrote on 03/28/09 at 20:10:59:
I have a question on the Bg4 Slav line. After 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 the simple and obvious Qxb3 followed by e6 is not even mentioned by Avrukh. There are also few games for this. However, I just can't figure out why. What's so bad about Black's position? The weak a7 pawn can be defended with a6 and the Bf5-Bc2 maneuver seems annoying to White.


A common idea in such positions is c5 and b4-b5 (before Black can play ...a6 and unpin his a-pawn); partly for that reason White seems unlikely to be troubled by the possibility of ...Bf5 and ...Bc2.
  
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Reply #243 - 03/28/09 at 20:10:59
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I have a question on the Bg4 Slav line. After 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 the simple and obvious Qxb3 followed by e6 is not even mentioned by Avrukh. There are also few games for this. However, I just can't figure out why. What's so bad about Black's position? The weak a7 pawn can be defended with a6 and the Bf5-Bc2 maneuver seems annoying to White.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #242 - 03/28/09 at 11:05:13
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Only if you enjoy analysing the complications after 
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 dxc4 5. Bg2 a6 6. O-O Nc6 7. Nc3 Rb8 8. e4 Be7 9. Qe2 Nxd4 10. Nxd4 Qxd4 11. Rd1 Qc5 12. e5 Nd7 13. Ne4 Qxe5 14. Bf4 Qa5 15. Qxc4 e5 16. Bg5 b5 (p.127 Avrukh).
There are two choices here:
  • 17. Qc2 f6 18. Be3 c5 19. Nd6+ Bxd6 20. Rxd6 O-O 21. Bc6 is white advantage according to Avrukh, but Umansky's analysis continues 21... Qc7 22. Rad1 Rb6 unclear
  • 17. Qd3 f6 18. Be3 f5 19. Ng5 Bxg5 20. Bxg5 O-O 21. Qb3+ Kh8 22. Be7 Qb6 23. Bxf8 1-0/41 was played in Umansky,M (2654)-Harding,T (2080)/Chessfriend.com 2003 (41)
You can find Umansky's comments at his web page at http://www.mumansky.com/work/HardingD.htm. I tend to like his move 17.Qd3.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #241 - 03/28/09 at 10:45:35
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exigentsky wrote on 03/28/09 at 01:40:23:
Chess_Addict wrote on 12/12/08 at 09:18:43:
Hi guys, got the book and although I had time to go through just a few chapters it seems interesting and full on new ideas.

Anyway I have 2 questions:

a) was the ...c6/...Bd6 Catalan mystery solved? will it be in book 2?


Perhaps that is part of the updates to the book that will apparently posted on the Quality Chess webpage (see previous posts).

exigentsky wrote on 03/28/09 at 01:40:23:
b) is it just me or against the Chebanenko Slav after 5.Bd3, 5...dxc4 isn't considered? Is it just wrong and I can't understand why or was it kind of forgotten  (or is it in the book and I can't find it...)?

Thx!


I was curious about that too. Actually, since b3 is eventually played in every line he gives for the Chebanenko Slav, I wondered why it was not played instead of Bd3. However, Bf5 is hard to prove an edge against and I'm guessing this is the reason. Although I'm not sure what to do against 5. ...dxc4 6. Bxc4 b5 7. Bd3 e6 7. 0-0 Bb7/Nbd7/c5 either. It's essentially a Meran.


It looks a bit like a Meran, but I think part of the point of white's move order (without Nc3 in) is that after 6...b5 7.Bd3 e6 8.a4 b4 no knight on c3 is attacked and something like Nb1-d2-c4 will be pretty quick.

On the other hand without a quick b5 in (e.g. 6...e6) this looks more like a queen's gambit accepted, where white took two moves for Bf1-d3xc4 and black takes two moves for c7-c6-c5 (assuming that he will play that. On the other hand, can black do without b5 or c5, not really can he?

I guess this may be a case of "a GM would work it out on his own, let's concentrate on the really critical stuff". I admit I at first thought the book was too variation heavy and too light on explanations, but the more I worked with it the more I liked the variation heavy content.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #240 - 03/28/09 at 01:40:23
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Chess_Addict wrote on 12/12/08 at 09:18:43:
Hi guys, got the book and although I had time to go through just a few chapters it seems interesting and full on new ideas.

Anyway I have 2 questions:

a) was the ...c6/...Bd6 Catalan mystery solved? will it be in book 2?
b) is it just me or against the Chebanenko Slav after 5.Bd3, 5...dxc4 isn't considered? Is it just wrong and I can't understand why or was it kind of forgotten  (or is it in the book and I can't find it...)?

Thx!


I was curious about that too. Actually, since b3 is eventually played in every line he gives for the Chebanenko Slav, I wondered why it was not played instead of Bd3. However, Bf5 is hard to prove an edge against and I'm guessing this is the reason. Although I'm not sure what to do against 5. ...dxc4 6. Bxc4 b5 7. Bd3 e6 7. 0-0 Bb7/Nbd7/c5 either. It's essentially a Meran. 

Perhaps instead of Bd3, this can be avoided by Qc2. This way Black still can't play Bf5 and White can continue naturally. Qc2 is even played in many of his variations.

BTW: Papageno, thanks for the analysis. I take it that you too consider 19. Nxf6 an improvement. This is the sort of discussion I was interested in.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #239 - 03/27/09 at 23:14:44
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@exigentsky: Thanks for sharing your ideas on this sharp line of the Catalan. BTW, it seems to me that it is only used in correspondence or freestyle games. Probably because Black risks so much by grabbing pawns instead of developing pieces.

14. Bf4 O-O 15. Rac1 Nb6 16. Qg4 Kh8 17. Bg5 f5 18. exf6 gxf6 and here 19.Nxf6 is a nice discovery.

14. Bf4 c3 seems to me to be not so much a problem as White can go for 15.Qg4 without too much risk. 15...g5 16.Bxg5 cxb2 17.Rab1 cannot be bad since Black is way underdeveloped.

And yet I noticed that recent games rather went 14. a4 Qb3 which is not in the book. Results were mixed but White should have enough compensation after 15.Be3. Corr World Champion Mikhail Umansky has faced 13...Qb5! twice now (in 2004 and 2007) and both times he went for 14.a4.

(I posted my #239 in this thread before reading your #238 but I hope it still helps...)
  
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Reply #238 - 03/27/09 at 23:08:40
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Papageno wrote on 03/27/09 at 22:43:10:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/27/09 at 21:07:36:
I have an even more basic question:  This thread started with a discussion of the Catalan with Nf3 played first.  I thought that if White is going for the Catalan anyway, he should play g3, Bg2 and defer the develop of his N.  

What's the benefit of developing the Knight to f3 compared to delaying its development in the Catalan main lines?

I'm afraid I'm not getting your question fully.
- In case of the QGD move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Sf3 (this is Avrukh Vol.1), White plays the natural Sf3 first. I don't see what 3.g3 would improve here.
- If Black plays the Indian move order 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 then 3.g3. This is what Avrukh announced for Vol. 2. Here, 3.g3 effective rules out the Queen's Indian 3...b6. Black has 3....Bb4+ of course, or 3...c5 if he definitely wants to avoid the Catalan. But that's it.


Yeah, 3. g3 has no advantages and is less flexible than 3. Nf3. However, if you intend a Catalan anyway, I'm not aware of any disadvantages. In addition, there may be an appeal (psychological comfort) to consistently play 3. g3 on the third move: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 or  1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3. 

Anyway, I would appreciate if people took the time to examine the lines I've proposed. This is what this forum is about... analysis of openings. If I'm right, Nxf6 may be a major improvement over the book... leading Black to almost  a lost position.  In addition, if the c3 and Qa5 ideas work, the assessment of Nc3 itself is in question and White may need to abandon the entire system and go for e3 with 9. b3 in hopes of a slight edge. The verdict of these lines is essential to modern Catalan theory and even more so for this book.
  
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Reply #237 - 03/27/09 at 22:43:10
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/27/09 at 21:07:36:
I have an even more basic question:  This thread started with a discussion of the Catalan with Nf3 played first.  I thought that if White is going for the Catalan anyway, he should play g3, Bg2 and defer the develop of his N.  

What's the benefit of developing the Knight to f3 compared to delaying its development in the Catalan main lines?

I'm afraid I'm not getting your question fully.
- In case of the QGD move order 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Sf3 (this is Avrukh Vol.1), White plays the natural Sf3 first. I don't see what 3.g3 would improve here.
- If Black plays the Indian move order 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 then 3.g3. This is what Avrukh announced for Vol. 2. Here, 3.g3 effective rules out the Queen's Indian 3...b6. Black has 3....Bb4+ of course, or 3...c5 if he definitely wants to avoid the Catalan. But that's it.
  
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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #236 - 03/27/09 at 21:28:43
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For those interested in the line I gave, I found a critical improvement for Black that just equalizes rather cleanly as far as I can tell. Instead of 14. ...0-0, c3!! Queens will be traded and Black will sit-tight with c6. If the orders are reversed and Bf4 is played instead of Ne4, 0-0 and if Ne4, Qa5 (keeping the e5 pawn under pressure without allowing White to win a tempo with a4.) Now, I'm starting to think the Nc3 lines are too ambitious or at least that 14. a4 should be played instead of Bf4. However, as Avrukh mentions, 14. a4 is interesting but appears to allow Black equality after Qa5. Thus, maybe e3 is the move after all. With b3 ideas, it almost guarantees White a slight but persistent edge. I would be interested in feedback on these variations along with the original one. This is one of the most popular and critical variations of the Catalan.
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Reply #235 - 03/27/09 at 21:12:07
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Btw, in response to Markovich's comments about the complexity of opening preparation for young, developing students:

I agree completely with you.

This isn't just a matter of taste, the developing student needs a solid base from which to understand the subtelties that are abound in many specialty books.
  
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Reply #234 - 03/27/09 at 21:07:36
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I have an even more basic question:  This thread started with a discussion of the Catalan with Nf3 played first.  I thought that if White is going for the Catalan anyway, he should play g3, Bg2 and defer the develop of his N.   

What's the benefit of developing the Knight to f3 compared to delaying its development in the Catalan main lines?
  
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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #233 - 03/27/09 at 15:11:38
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emary wrote on 03/27/09 at 13:18:09:
Dear Mr. Aagaard, 

I got the impression that Avrukh's repertoire is sensible even for players rated 1800 - 2000.  Most lines are basically nonforcing, so they should be playable without too much preparation. 
But a "Guide for the Improving Player" would be very helpful to be informed about the absolute minimum, you have to study, before you can start  to play the repertoire with some confidence against opposition of equal strength.

Could You be so kind and give such a guide?  


With the greatest respect, emary, do we not here tax poor Aagaard with more than one editor can be expected to do?  He has already produced this very fine book, and we can hardly expect him to write a concordance for any given class of player.  I would think it would be up to each player to figure out what, and how much, of it he should thoroughly study.  For example if there is someone in your area who plays the Albin, study up on the Albin.  Personally I would advise booking up quite thoroughly on the QGA analysis, since that is some of the sharpest stuff in the book.  Also the Chigorin stuff.

emary wrote on 03/27/09 at 13:18:09:

Or do You think the rep is too subtle for players under 2000 Elo?   

Thank You


I await Jacob's answer with interest.

I have a young chessfriend rated about 2150 who is just taking up 1.d4 and I advised them to study up on Schandorff in preference to Avrukh.  Both books are excellent, but the depth and sophistication of Avrukh's repertoire seems to me to demand more of anyone who takes it up.  I think it's much easier for developing players to play straightforward, attacking chess than to engage in positional maneuvers. 

It would not surprise me if someone came back here and said, "It depends on your taste," but I personally would disagree.
  

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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #232 - 03/27/09 at 13:18:09
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Dear Mr. Aagaard, 

I got the impression that Avrukh's repertoire is sensible even for players rated 1800 - 2000.  Most lines are basically nonforcing, so they should be playable without too much preparation. 
But a "Guide for the Improving Player" would be very helpful to be informed about the absolute minimum, you have to study, before you can start  to play the repertoire with some confidence against opposition of equal strength.  

Could You be so kind and give such a guide?  

Or do You think the rep is too subtle for players under 2000 Elo?   

Thank You
  
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Reply #231 - 03/27/09 at 09:18:37
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I think volume 2 is out in July, at best June. It is a lot of work for Boris, but he is getting through it in a decent pace.

About the previous extensive message. I agree with most aspects of it, this is a very nuanced repertoire and at a very high level - for both colours, which is why it is so hard to prove an edge.

About missing lines - an update covering some of them will be up on our website next week, I hope. It is not my first priority, but it is high on the list.

About the lines not being critical. I have heard this various places about the 4.e3 Slav, but this is simply ignorance. Peter Heine Nielsen commended us on this choice, of anticipating that this was becoming the main move and would be so for some time to come. Sure 4.Nc3 is sharper, but is the sharpest line the most critical? I would think the 'best' line is the most critical, and at the moment 4.e3 sets Black more objective problems.

Another comment on the various reviews (including Watson's, which in many ways was brilliant and very interesting) is that many reviewers miss that after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 we are back in the Catalan after the main move 3...d5. The is no Nimzo/QID complex coming. However, 3...Bb4, 3...b6?! and 3...c5 will be covered in the second volume.

So will every other move that does not transpose to 1.d4 d5. It will be as big a book, and it will be good, from what I have seen. Actually, excellent!

Jacob Aagaard
  
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Reply #230 - 03/27/09 at 08:05:45
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Does anyone really know when the next volume will be out? It is announced on the Quality Chess website as "coming soon". I am very interested in a number of the things the second volume will cover...
  
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