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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #213 - 09/27/09 at 10:06:55
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Nice!

EDIT : there is a similar idea taken from another forum :

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White to play and win, I don't know if a human brain can possibly find the main idea. Check that forum for solutions.


Do you know the author of the study? I can find a quite obvious idea which locks in the black queen, but i cant imagine that this position is more than a draw.
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #212 - 09/27/09 at 08:39:34
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You only need the second nice win after 1...Rg8 and the correct way for the white king to reach f7, then your solution is complete.  Smiley
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #211 - 09/27/09 at 01:24:34
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Wow Girkassa, that was a really detailed explanation. Thanks Smiley.

After looking at what Spuler wrote, let me guess at the solution.

1.g7 h2
2.gxh8(Q) h1(Q)+
Now run the king to f6, let black skewer the queen...

3.Kf7 Qxh8
4.Bd8 Kb7 or Kd7
5.c8(Q) Kxc8
6.Bf6

Is this correct?
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #210 - 09/26/09 at 12:51:05
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I am looking fr a selection of endgame studies with only a few pieces on the board , say 6 or less, so I can remember or concisely write down the position and try to solve them in my head  during boring moments in bus queues,  etc. 

Can anyone suggest a goodsource?
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #209 - 09/25/09 at 11:44:32
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How I solved #202? At the beginning I tried all kinds of possible moves and concluded I don't see a winning continuation. It was very obvious that after first white moves except 1.g7 or 1.Bf6 there is absolutely no chance for a win. So I calculated deeper 1.g7 and 1.Bf6. After 1.g7 I found no way to avoid the perpetual except giving the queen. Again I thought about all possibilities at the beginning. I went deeper in 1.g7 and giving the queen with my king at e6. No chance... Calculating deeper I found that giving the queen with my king on f7 seems the first litte something I could see in the whole study. But how to put in prison the black queen? Theres the a8 square to escape. No chance....
Thats the reason why I then concentrated on 1.Bf6 and trying to escape the checks and then to win with the bishop and the pawns. Absolutely no chance.... At this point I felt like a computer! All this stupid calculation... I decided to search any idea. After all continuations I tried so far I couldn't find any idea except for the one with giving the queen with the king on f7! How to take the possibility of escaping from the black queen? Then I got this beautiful idea! The rest was rather simple, find some minor lines and the right route for the white king to f7.
Maybe a composer can tell us a story of how he composed a study. This would be very interesting.
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #208 - 09/25/09 at 11:30:22
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I think there is nothing more to say about! Thanks for your detailed solution.
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #207 - 09/25/09 at 06:03:13
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sssthepro wrote on 09/24/09 at 09:47:28:
Did you really find that variation by yourself Girkassa? If you did, you must be really strong. How did you see these kind of stuff?


Found it by myself, yes. I'm 2400-ish, one norm short of the IM title. How I see this kind of stuff? Well, I could try to reconstruct my thoughts when I solved the study (Günther hasn't confirmed that it's the solution, but since he hasn't commented on it, and since it looks winning, I believe it is):

1.e6 - This has to be the first move, as it's a simple draw if Black captures the e pawn.

1...g3 - Not as obvious, but White threatens 2.e7 Ba4 3.Bf7, so Black has to do something about it. The first line that came to mind was 1...Ba4 2.Bf7 Bb3 3.Bg6+ winning. Then I saw Black could get the same position with the pawn on g3, which could hardly be a disadvantage - Black gets closer to counterplay based on the weak White king position.

2.Bf7 - In case of 2.e7, Black plays 2...Bh5 followed by 3...Be8, and then Black can simly pick up the pawn with his king. Therefore, this move seemed to be the only way to achieve something

2...Ke3! - This is where it got hard. In a game, I might very well have calculated only 2...Bb3 3.Bg6+, concluding that White wins by "normal" means. However, since this is a study, you know there has to be something more, so I kept searching. And since White's e pawn can't be stopped by normal means, the reduced material only gives one more possibility: Counterplay against White's king. I saw the moves Ke3, Kf2, Bf3, but at first, I thought White could simply play Kg1 when needed. Then I saw 2...Ke3 also threatened 3...Bb3, when 4.Bg6 is no longer with check. Thus, the move 2...Ke3, with an amusing double threat, suggested itself even before I had established that there is no win for White after 3.e7 Kf2 4.e8=Q Bf3.

3.Be8!! - This is where it got really hard. First, I established that, after 3.e7 Kf2, promoting to a rook wouldn't prevent the stalemate, that a bishop would be useless, and that a knight would even lose. Then I quickly looked at 4.Bd5 Ba4, but since White has to prevent ...Bc6, he can't make any progress there. Therefore, I searched for other moves than 3.e7, trying to find something after 3.Kg1 Bb3 4.Bg8 Ba4, but there just wasn't anything. Having looked at 3.e7 and 3.Kg1, there weren't really a lot of other useful moves left. Then it struck me: If White could get to the a8-g2 diagonal before Black, there wouldn't be time for stalemate. The ideal square for the bishop must be c6, where it not only protects the diagonal, but also covers e8 - and that square is available in two moves! Again, it helped a lot to know this is a study: You know there is a win, so you don't stop searching, and also, 3.Be8 is the kind of study-like move that could very well be the solution. If this had been a real game, I would probably have played 3.e7 Kf2 4.e8=Q Bf3 5.Bd5, hoping Black would resign, and if he played 5...Bxg2+ 6.Bxg2, it would at least be a very amusing end to the game.

3...Kf2 - Quickly calculating 3...Bf3 4.Kg1 and 3...Bb3 4.e7 Kf2 5.Bc6, this move appeared to be the only sensible move left.

4.Bc6 - White has to prevent 4...Bf3, and this is the only way.

4...Be2 - Since White's e pawn is still unstoppable, Black has to continue playing against g2. Having already seen the stalemate theme, I knew White couldn't rely on g2 being defended by the bishop, and the manoeuvre ...Be2-f1 suggested itself as the quickest route to f1.

5.e7 Bf1 - Like Cox, I tried to find a way to get this position with Black to move, but I couldn't find any, and anyway, I just couldn't believe then position to be anything but won after 6.e8=N. Black can never exchange the bishop for either of White's pieces, meaning that White can always drive away Black's king with a knight check, covered by the bishop. If White threatens Ne4+, Black has to play ...Ke3 in order to save his pawn, and then White's king can escape from the corner. Once I saw that, I thought it just had to be winning somehow.

As you see, my thinking in this, and most other, studies, is pretty much a process of elimination. I often don't find the right continuation until I've seen that all other sensible moves are useless.
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #206 - 09/25/09 at 00:15:36
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Really very nice!! (#202) I needed nearly 2 hours to recognize the main idea. It's a study of the kind "Don't stop calculating if your evaluation of the position seems obvious". I also like the last few studies. Very nice ideas!  Smiley
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Reply #205 - 09/24/09 at 23:55:31
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Nice!

EDIT : there is a similar idea taken from another forum :

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White to play and win, I don't know if a human brain can possibly find the main idea. Check that forum for solutions.
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #204 - 09/24/09 at 23:04:14
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Wow! Very pretty!
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #203 - 09/24/09 at 20:04:12
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Again I don´t see the point/theme -is it escaping from perpetual check?

- i finally got it - brilliant, what an imagination by the author.
« Last Edit: 09/25/09 at 11:40:28 by gewgaw »  

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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #202 - 09/24/09 at 17:43:48
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I want to post the study which John mentioned above.

Zachodiakin 1937

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White to play and win
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #201 - 09/24/09 at 09:47:28
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Did you really find that variation by yourself Girkassa? If you did, you must be really strong. How did you see these kind of stuff?
  
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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #200 - 09/24/09 at 09:47:10
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iirc Sveshnikov-Kasparov? If yes => 0-1

Edit: No, I've just checked and it's another game though with similar pawn structures, so let me think..

Edit2: OK, I've looked at this for a while but cannot see how White can save it. Play could be similar to the game I quoted above, or else Black may in-between push his K-side pawns in order to weaken the e4-pawn or create a weak base at f3 (then according to the principle of 2 weaknesses White loses / Black has also many tempo moves if needed). Is there sth I'm missing?
  

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Re: Endgamestudies
Reply #199 - 09/24/09 at 08:43:11
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black to move - how do you evaluate this position?
  

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