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Re: 1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
Reply #8 - 11/21/08 at 15:54:22
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Stigma wrote on 11/21/08 at 13:00:14:
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@ Stigma: What books of Emms and Collins are you refering to?

Emms: Attacking with 1.e4 (Everyman 2001)
Collins: An Attacking Repertoire for White (Batsford 2004)

Both are OK, but probably too brief for your needs.


Well, like I said, I'm looking for a bit more material on those less mainstream openings. Usually such repertoire books (including those books you mention) spend 70-80% on the Sicilian, French and 1. e4 e5, and in the other 20% the rest is quickly dealt with. Maybe they require less knowledge, but you can't get a great position out of the opening when you're playing a Caro-Kann expert, while you yourself are only using the 10 pages of one book for your opening knowledge.

Stigma wrote on 11/21/08 at 13:00:14:
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And actually, I considered subscribing to ChessPublishing on some occasions, but I just don't like reading off a screen... I prefer a book I can touch, which I can read anywhere I want, without needing a computer. If ChessPublishing would make a nice paperback edition of their PDF files, then I would subscribe Smiley

Have you considered subscribing, adding some diagrams and then printing out what you need? I really feel that you are making this too difficult by excluding everything as either too short, too long or on a screen... If the specific book you are describing doesn't exist, maybe you should write it yourself? Smiley


Well yes, I could print it out, but I'd have all those loose pages... I know, I'm probably having too high demands, but if it is possible, I would really prefer a book Smiley And well, I'm not saying it should be precisely between 50 and 100 pages long, but I'm just saying it should be more than the 10 pages most repertoire books spend on one opening, and less than a whole book spent on the opening. Maybe that's still too difficult.

Stigma wrote on 11/21/08 at 13:00:14:
For the Petroff there is "Beating the Petroff" by Kotronias and Tzermiadianos, 240 pages. If that's too much, Khalifman's Anand series vol. 1 has 43 pages on the Petroff. Both are pretty main line oriented.


Maybe, instead of getting one repertoire book, since that's almost impossible, I should get some seperate books for each opening. Beating the Petroff sounds like a white point of view book; any suggestions for other openings then? Pirc, Modern, Caro, Alekhine? I saw "The Pirc in Black and White" had good reviews, and had a reduced price at a local bookstore.
  
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Re: 1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
Reply #7 - 11/21/08 at 13:00:14
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@ Stigma: What books of Emms and Collins are you refering to?

Emms: Attacking with 1.e4 (Everyman 2001)
Collins: An Attacking Repertoire for White (Batsford 2004)

Both are OK, but probably too brief for your needs.

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And actually, I considered subscribing to ChessPublishing on some occasions, but I just don't like reading off a screen... I prefer a book I can touch, which I can read anywhere I want, without needing a computer. If ChessPublishing would make a nice paperback edition of their PDF files, then I would subscribe Smiley

Have you considered subscribing, adding some diagrams and then printing out what you need? I really feel that you are making this too difficult by excluding everything as either too short, too long or on a screen... If the specific book you are describing doesn't exist, maybe you should write it yourself? Smiley

For the Petroff there is "Beating the Petroff" by Kotronias and Tzermiadianos, 240 pages. If that's too much, Khalifman's Anand series vol. 1 has 43 pages on the Petroff. Both are pretty main line oriented.
  
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Reply #6 - 11/21/08 at 01:22:37
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Oh by the way, I'd like to add the Petroff to that list of annoying 1. e4 openings Smiley I only occasionally run into all those openings (Caro, Alekhine, Petroff) but they always cause me trouble Sad
  
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Reply #5 - 11/21/08 at 01:18:35
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Maybe I wasn't so clear, but with "50-100 pages for the Caro-Kann, Pirc, Modern and Scandinavian" I meant 50-100 pages for each opening. So for example a book of 300+ pages that covers the less common 1. e4 openings. I also have Attacking with 1. e4, but that book spends 50 pages in total on the Caro-Kann, Modern, Pirc, Scandinavian and Alekhine together. I don't believe that can be enough. 

Still, replying to MNb, I don't agree that for white, such 20 moves deep knowledge is needed. I have played the Scandinavian as black for quite some time, and although black has some choices between variations, it's mainly white who has the choice between different attempts at getting an advantage out of the opening. A white 1. e4 repertoire book would only have to cover one of those systems, without going into all the sidelines black does have to know. Maybe it's not that easy with the Caro-Kann and Pirc, but in 70 pages I'm sure there's some system for white that can be explained and analyzed such that white can be comfortable in that opening.

@ Stigma: What books of Emms and Collins are you refering to?

And actually, I considered subscribing to ChessPublishing on some occasions, but I just don't like reading off a screen... I prefer a book I can touch, which I can read anywhere I want, without needing a computer. If ChessPublishing would make a nice paperback edition of their PDF files, then I would subscribe Smiley
  
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Re: 1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
Reply #4 - 11/20/08 at 23:50:21
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Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't openings like the Modern, Pirc and Caro-Kann less theoretical (for white) than, say, the Najdorf, Sveshnikov and Dragon?

I think you are wrong indeed. The main lines of the Caro-Kann (3.Nc3) and Pirc (Austrian) go 20 moves deep easily, with many deviations underway.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't openings like the Modern, Pirc and Caro-Kann less theoretical (for white) than, say, the Najdorf, Sveshnikov and Dragon?

Of course this is possible. If you can read Dutch I can scan a few pages of Merijn's Schaaknieuws repertoire for you - the sections on the Caro-Kann, Pirc and Modern in total do not exceed 20 pages.
  
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Re: 1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
Reply #3 - 11/20/08 at 20:55:40
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Your request here is very specific in terms of number of pages, I don't know of such a book that covers only the 1.e4... "lesser" defences. Actually Kaufman's "The Chess Advantage in Black and White" has 70 pages of repertoire against 1...c6/d6/g6/Nf6/d5/Nc6/b6/a6, but those are small pages.

Two suggestions:
- Start from a 1.e4 repertoire book like those by Emms, Collins, or Kaufman (the latter in particular has lines against the Caro-Kann and Pirc/Modern that are truly dangerous in practical play). If the material is not detailed enough, you can work to get up to date with the latest developments in the lines (analyse games from TWIC or other sources), and the material expands.

- Subscribe to 1.e4... with IM John Watson on ChessPublishing.com! You can study as many or as few games as you want, and in most lines you will be more up to date than with any book. The "bible" type books are still useful for filling in info on old or rarely-played lines though.
  
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Re: 1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
Reply #2 - 11/20/08 at 16:49:36
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Thanks for the reply. However, like you said, the 3rd book has 300 pages devoted to the Caro-Kann. Of course I'd like to play well against the Caro-Kann, but I'd prefer a slightly more comprehensive explanation than 300 pages for an opening I don't run into that often. And I'd still be buying the book almost only for the Caro-Kann, so I'd need at least one other book for the other black openings.

The same goes for the 4th book; if it only contains two of the 1. e4 openings, that means I'd still need other books. So then I could almost just as well buy a Caro-Kann book, a Pirc book, and a Modern book... 

Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't openings like the Modern, Pirc and Caro-Kann less theoretical (for white) than, say, the Najdorf, Sveshnikov and Dragon? If there are single books devoted to the whole Sicilian, like Experts vs. the Sicilian, then shouldn't it also be possible to devote one book to all annoying 1. e4 openings? Smiley

If there was a (good) book with about 50-100 pages for the Caro-Kann, Pirc, Modern and Scandinavian (and perhaps some others) I would definetely want it. But I can't find such a book... Sad
  
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Re: 1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
Reply #1 - 11/20/08 at 13:50:13
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It is a bit difficult. A repertoire book for White will be either against a particular defence, but you don't look for three different books, either against 1.e4 in general, when the core of the book will cover the three main defences, Sicilian, Open games and French.

Opening for White according to Anand, by Khalifman.
The 3rd tome is about Caro-Kann and Scandinavian.

The 4th tome is about various dark-square defences, namely Pirc, Modern, Czech, Delayed Philidor, etc., nearly everything which can happen from 1...d6 or 1...e6. Although part of a greater repertoire series, there are very few transpositions into other tomes, and none is very important (1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nc6, for ewample).

You needn't the 5th tome, but it can be a nice complement since it covers other Black defences (except 1...c5, 1...e5 and 1...e6, of course), mainly 1...Nf6 but also 1...b6, 1...Nc6, etc.

Khalifman gives 3.Nc3 against the Caro and 3.Nc3, 4.f4 systems against dark-square defences.

Quite deep, quite complete, quite a reference. Quite detailed too: 300+ pages against the Caro.
  
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1. e4 ... White Repertoire Book?
11/19/08 at 15:40:40
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Hi all,

Lately I've been working on my white repertoire, with 1. e4 as the basis and basically "playing the main lines" against most openings. For playing against the Sicilian, I purchased "Experts vs. the Sicilian" which I really liked, since it basically covers all of black's Sicilian openings, but also chooses variations that could very well turn out in white's favor. Against the French I'm currently happy with the Advance French, and against 1. e4 I sometimes play the Ruy Lopez main lines, and sometimes the Ruy Lopez Exchange.

However, against the Caro-Kann, Pirc, Modern and some variations of the Scandinavian, I don't really know how to play as white. I'm looking for some sort of repertoire against those openings where white has good chances for an advantage from the opening, but without having to study the "whole" Caro, Pirc, Modern and having to purchase three separate books. And that's what my question is about: Does anyone know a good repertoire book against those openings, from the white point of view?

I already have "Attacking with 1. e4" from John Emms, but the 45 pages used for the Caro, Pirc, Modern and Scandinavian just can't be enough to give a complete and good repertoire against those openings. 

Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions!
  
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