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Re: Dresden rating regulation and norm changes
Reply #9 - 12/18/08 at 13:27:15
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the 0 default thing is frankly ridiculous - what happens if you are delayed because of a traffic accident, and so on? No 1 hour is fine as is thank you, if an opponent feels insulted thats his problem. Never was insulted by anybody turning up late for me. Sounds like political correctness gone mad.
  
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Reply #8 - 12/18/08 at 11:26:40
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This http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5094 looks to be a good summary of the many proposed changes
  
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Re: Dresden rating regulation and norm changes
Reply #7 - 12/17/08 at 23:25:11
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MilenPetrov wrote on 12/17/08 at 21:18:38:

About the delays... I fully accept that no delays should be allowed. Let me explain why... Imagine a football match where one team is not present at the begining and arrives in 80th minute. Then scores one goal and wins the match. Completely unacceptable. Why the spectators spent their money... Just to see an empty stadium... So I agree that if the sponsors spend some money (even in open tournaments) they want to see the players playing and not walking around or drinking coffee or beer. I am a smoker but I could also accept that leaving playing hall should be forbidden during the game. Just imagine.. in a football or hockey match one of the players goes to the bar or toilet... Nonsense.... So i see the rationale behind those decision and think that they will make us more disciplined and respectful of the organizers and sponsors.
Would be glad to hear another opinions... Certainly this theme should be continued...

I might accept a 0 min. default rule in an elite event, if the sponsors demand it. Though personally I think it's OK to allow a few minutes late arrival even there. As a spectator I certainly prefer a game starting late to a game not starting at all (i.e. 1-0 default).

But the FIDE president wants to allow no exceptions, and that means even small local swisses and leagues must default players after 0 min. in order to be FIDE rated! There is litte sponsorship or audience involved in such games; where amateurs play for their own enjoyment. This rule would be pointless in such games, since most people are there to play chess, not to get a free point. If you travel to an away league game the whole trip would be for nothing if either you or your opponent is a few minutes late! This is simply unacceptable and I hope the Exexutive Board members come to their senses.

When I took a chess arbiter course, the teacher repeated several times a main principle for deciding cases where the FIDE rules are not clear: If in doubt, try to ensure as far as possible that games are decided by the actual position and moves made on the board. The same principle should apply here.

P.S. A tennis match can reach lengths comparable to a chess game, and they have rules for toilet breaks. There is no point torturing players with no toilet breaks for 7 hours. It is also useful to leave the board occasionally to rest and stretch out, if you force the players to sit for hours you will get weaker play, and that can't possibly be the goal. Football and hockey have much shorter playing periods (45 and 20 minutes, respectively) and are not relevant here.
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Reply #6 - 12/17/08 at 21:21:47
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Forgot to mention about the title changes... An idea of introducing a new title - Elite Grand Master was discussed. Still waiting for approval from the board. Also there is a new rule for GM norms - at least 33% of the opponents must be GMs and not as it is now only 3 GMs.
About arbiters titles there will be changes also but I am not completely sure about them. For now I know that in order to become FIDE arbiter an exam is needed and two FA norms. Exams will be held only by certified trainers. One need to have a score more than 80% in order to pass it.
  
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Re: Dresden rating regulation and norm changes
Reply #5 - 12/17/08 at 21:18:38
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As far as I am aware the idea of increasing the K factor is because there is a proposal for 6 rating lists per year to be issued. That will cause lowering the ELO increase during a period. Initial idea is to increase K with K+20. But it still not accepted and should be approved on the Presidential Board. 
About the delays... I fully accept that no delays should be allowed. Let me explain why... Imagine a football match where one team is not present at the begining and arrives in 80th minute. Then scores one goal and wins the match. Completely unacceptable. Why the spectators spent their money... Just to see an empty stadium... So I agree that if the sponsors spend some money (even in open tournaments) they want to see the players playing and not walking around or drinking coffee or beer. I am a smoker but I could also accept that leaving playing hall should be forbidden during the game. Just imagine.. in a football or hockey match one of the players goes to the bar or toilet... Nonsense.... So i see the rationale behind those decision and think that they will make us more disciplined and respectful of the organizers and sponsors.
Would be glad to hear another opinions... Certainly this theme should be continued...
  
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Reply #4 - 12/17/08 at 20:05:39
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TimS wrote on 12/17/08 at 17:40:02:
Found it - here's where the discussion starts http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=514&start=30 but there's other stuff to wade through too


Impressive decision making routine: Kirsan states his opinion, someone applauds, and his proposal is sent off to the Executive Board with no further discussion?! How can anyone in FIDE, supposed to represent their national federations, accept this?

At least for non-world class events I am perfectly happy with the current 1 hour default rule. After all, it provides for plenty of entertainment when a player arrives at 00:59:30 and has to play the game at rapid speed! So much for Kirsan's spectator argument. 30 min. is acceptable; 15 too short imho.

I don't understand the arguments by some on that ECF board that the cause of lateness is simply discourtesy. Rather, feeling personally insulted is a reaction to lateness, and neither a necessary nor a wise one when trying to focus on playing! 
I never allow an opponent's lateness to upset me, it is so much simpler to be happy with the time advantage and just play chess. And when I have sometimes been late for a round myself, it has been due to underestimating preparation or travel times, or being caught up in traffic, never any manipulative or disrespectful intent. Why would I think worse of others?
  

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Reply #3 - 12/17/08 at 17:47:38
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I am more concerned about the default time of 0 if local tournament organizers decide to blindly parrot that.  That is fine for professional tournaments, and probably appropriate. But for local amateur tournaments where you are often rushing to a game after work, some grace time is essential.
  

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Reply #2 - 12/17/08 at 17:40:02
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Found it - here's where the discussion starts http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=514&start=30 but there's other stuff to wade through too
  
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Reply #1 - 12/17/08 at 17:33:31
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There's a discussion, which I can't locate right now, at the English Chess Forum, but here http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=543 is a summary, albeit by an opponent
  
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Dresden rating regulation and norm changes
12/17/08 at 17:28:30
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Whats it all about? Cant find any decent information anywhere, rumour is they will change the k-factor for rating calculation (might not be a bad idea) - regarding norms hope they dont mess about too much...
  
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