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Re: Chess Openings for Black, Explained: New Edition
Reply #29 - 05/27/09 at 16:10:55
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In the attached PGN file, I present a position from page 367. The position is not very difficult, but I am not sure if I like it. 
What should Black play for? (The authors, as always, conclude their explanations way too early and give very few sample games.)
  

COBE_Bogo_4Nbd2.pgn ( 1 KB | Downloads )

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*W 1d4) Torre/Barry/Pirc/Philidor/ early _d5:early c4(QGD/Slav/QGD/etc)
*B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6| 1Nf3:c5
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Reply #28 - 05/19/09 at 11:48:05
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I definitely recall reading in the book what is offered on 3.a3. But now I just can't find it...

TN wrote on 05/13/09 at 11:51:06:
Given that COBE, 1st edition only provided a footnote's worth of coverage on 3.g3, I would assume that the 2nd edition would not even mention 3.a3 (please correct me if I am incorrect). In any event, 3...d5 is a good reply, when the position is very similar to 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 c5 3.e3, with colours reversed. In that instance, 3...a6 would not be a useful move for Black, as any Bb5 ideas are completely innocuous.

  

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*W 1d4) Torre/Barry/Pirc/Philidor/ early _d5:early c4(QGD/Slav/QGD/etc)
*B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6| 1Nf3:c5
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Reply #27 - 05/13/09 at 11:51:06
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Given that COBE, 1st edition only provided a footnote's worth of coverage on 3.g3, I would assume that the 2nd edition would not even mention 3.a3 (please correct me if I am incorrect). In any event, 3...d5 is a good reply, when the position is very similar to 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 c5 3.e3, with colours reversed. In that instance, 3...a6 would not be a useful move for Black, as any Bb5 ideas are completely innocuous.
  

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Reply #26 - 05/12/09 at 16:49:48
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"1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.a3?" 
I am looking for its coverage.
What is the page number?
  

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*B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6| 1Nf3:c5
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Reply #25 - 01/16/09 at 11:17:49
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Incidentally, I was going through some old Checkpoint reviews by Carsten Hansen and found he highly praised both the Black and White editions ... (and Hansen is no John Elburg)
  
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Reply #24 - 01/16/09 at 11:11:51
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alexbertonix wrote on 01/15/09 at 21:07:25:
Just got the book today. I rather appreciated the first edition but was more than disappointed with the new one. The advertising blurb announcing dozens (or wasn't it hundreds ? ) of changes is just plain lying, especially if you consider the fact most of the updating concerns the sicilian (some of it being of interest by the way)! Non-Dragon fans should just stay away from this book, all the more so if they already own the first edition. Angry

But some useful stuff on the Accelerated?
  
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Reply #23 - 01/16/09 at 01:57:47
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alexbertonix wrote on 01/15/09 at 21:07:25:
Just got the book today. I rather appreciated the first edition but was more than disappointed with the new one. The advertising blurb announcing dozens (or wasn't it hundreds ? ) of changes is just plain lying, especially if you consider the fact most of the updating concerns the sicilian (some of it being of interest by the way)! Non-Dragon fans should just stay away from this book, all the more so if they already own the first edition. Angry


Perhaps they are counting characters  Wink
  

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Reply #22 - 01/15/09 at 21:07:25
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Just got the book today. I rather appreciated the first edition but was more than disappointed with the new one. The advertising blurb announcing dozens (or wasn't it hundreds ? ) of changes is just plain lying, especially if you consider the fact most of the updating concerns the sicilian (some of it being of interest by the way)! Non-Dragon fans should just stay away from this book, all the more so if they already own the first edition. Angry
  
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Reply #21 - 01/15/09 at 13:17:44
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Antillian wrote on 01/13/09 at 23:26:02:

Edited for ambiguity.


Yes, I always appreciate a healthy degree of ambiguity.

But seriously, thanks for your opinion of this book.  On your advice, I'll save my money.
  

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Reply #20 - 01/14/09 at 19:26:27
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MNb wrote on 01/14/09 at 01:34:33:
But there must be even worse around .....

Well, last year I was in one book shop (a Borders, I think) that distinguished "Chess books" and "Eric Schiller".  Shocked
  
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Reply #19 - 01/14/09 at 01:34:33
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Antillian wrote on 01/13/09 at 23:26:02:
Yes, afterall, the Catalan is such a non critical opening, why waste more than one page on it eh?  Shocked

Having spent more time on this book, I am ready to give it away. I simply cannot imagine, but if this book is so much better than Chess Openings for White, Explained, then the latter must have been an utter piece of #*&@. This is without a doubt the most shallow and inadequate opening book I have even bought.   Angry


COfW,E, from the sections I have seen (Caro-Kann, Sicilian GPA and the Open Games), indeed was an utter piece of ...... But there must be even worse around .....
  

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Reply #18 - 01/13/09 at 23:26:02
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Yes, afterall, the Catalan is such a non critical opening, why waste more than one page on it eh?  Shocked

Having spent more time on this book, I am ready to give it away. I simply cannot imagine, but if this book is so much better than Chess Openings for White, Explained, then the latter must have been an utter piece of #*&@. Chess Openings for Black, Explained, is without a doubt the most shallow and inadequate opening book I have even bought.   Angry


Edited for ambiguity.
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Re: Chess Openings for Black, Explained: New Edition
Reply #17 - 01/13/09 at 22:33:15
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exigentsky wrote on 01/13/09 at 19:34:55:
wolfsblut wrote on 01/10/09 at 15:19:30:
Hi,
I have worked a little bit with the new edition...- in my eyes you should not buy it, if you have already the first one. There are only few changes, which you can do by yourself, if you look up new games in the openings in question...
The moveorder 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 they give now 1 page und you know what that in their books means....
They say you can become a member at ChessOpeningsExplained.com.....

greetings

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Where do you find that 1 page on the Catalan? I can't find anything at all.  Angry


Page 368, the last page of the Bogo Indian section.
  
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Reply #16 - 01/13/09 at 19:34:55
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wolfsblut wrote on 01/10/09 at 15:19:30:
Hi,
I have worked a little bit with the new edition...- in my eyes you should not buy it, if you have already the first one. There are only few changes, which you can do by yourself, if you look up new games in the openings in question...
The moveorder 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 they give now 1 page und you know what that in their books means....
They say you can become a member at ChessOpeningsExplained.com.....

greetings

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Where do you find that 1 page on the Catalan? I can't find anything at all.  Angry
  
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Reply #15 - 01/13/09 at 16:42:18
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wolfsblut wrote on 01/13/09 at 16:32:27:
Ender wrote on 01/12/09 at 23:19:42:
Can You give us correct link to their website?


Hi,
the correct link is www.ChessOpeningsExplained.com- don´t know why it don´t works....
greetings
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Tried it without the - and got a website that is not up and running yet.
  

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Reply #14 - 01/13/09 at 16:32:27
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Ender wrote on 01/12/09 at 23:19:42:
Can You give us correct link to their website?


Hi,
the correct link is www.ChessOpeningsExplained.com- don´t know why it don´t works....
greetings
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Reply #13 - 01/12/09 at 23:19:42
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Can You give us correct link to their website?
  

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Reply #12 - 01/12/09 at 22:35:45
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TimS wrote on 01/11/09 at 12:23:05:
wolfsblut wrote on 01/10/09 at 15:19:30:
Hi,
I have worked a little bit with the new edition...- in my eyes you should not buy it, if you have already the first one. There are only few changes, which you can do by yourself, if you look up new games in the openings in question...
The moveorder 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 they give now 1 page und you know what that in their books means....
They say you can become a member at ChessOpeningsExplained.com.....

greetings

wolfsblut

Does your advice apply mainly to the 1.e4 section, the 1.d4 section or to both?



Hi,
....really to all sections....
greetings
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Reply #11 - 01/11/09 at 12:23:05
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wolfsblut wrote on 01/10/09 at 15:19:30:
Hi,
I have worked a little bit with the new edition...- in my eyes you should not buy it, if you have already the first one. There are only few changes, which you can do by yourself, if you look up new games in the openings in question...
The moveorder 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 they give now 1 page und you know what that in their books means....
They say you can become a member at ChessOpeningsExplained.com.....

greetings

wolfsblut

Does your advice apply mainly to the 1.e4 section, the 1.d4 section or to both?
  
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Reply #10 - 01/10/09 at 16:03:09
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wolfsblut wrote on 01/10/09 at 15:19:30:
Hi,
I have worked a little bit with the new edition...- in my eyes you should not buy it, if you have already the first one. There are only few changes, which you can do by yourself, if you look up new games in the openings in question...
The moveorder 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 they give now 1 page und you know what that in their books means....
They say you can become a member at ChessOpeningsExplained.com.....

greetings

wolfsblut


I couldn't find this website.

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Reply #9 - 01/10/09 at 15:19:30
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Hi,
I have worked a little bit with the new edition...- in my eyes you should not buy it, if you have already the first one. There are only few changes, which you can do by yourself, if you look up new games in the openings in question...
The moveorder 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 they give now 1 page und you know what that in their books means....
They say you can become a member at ChessOpeningsExplained.com.....

greetings

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Reply #8 - 01/10/09 at 03:20:47
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TimS wrote on 12/18/08 at 15:11:05:
According to the author's (sic): "This new edition incorporates literally hundreds of changes." On the other hand: "The vast majority of the recommendations in the 2005 edition fully stood the test of time."

However, I must say I was fairly pleased with the first edition and will seriously consider getting the second (from what I can gather, the Black repertoire is much better than their White version, although I do not have the latter so cannot give a personal opinion).


That's for sure. One weakness with the first edition was that it did not address the Catalan move order, namely: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3!? considering the popularity of the Cat these days, such an ommission was a big boo boo which I hope they corrected this time around.

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Reply #7 - 01/09/09 at 19:41:40
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Antillian wrote on 12/18/08 at 13:58:41:
After mixed reviews, I never bothered to buy the first edition. But there is a new and presumably improved second edition out now. I am thinking of getting primarily  for the  the coverage of the Bogo and to a lesser extent, the Nimzo.

Anyone with the new edition care to share any thoughts?


Well, I went ahead and bought it. I just received my copy. I have not spent enough time with it to give a thorough assessment.  My fist impression was positive since  looks just like my Pirc Alert, which is one of my all time favourite opening books. However my next impression was  that it appears to be a very shallow book - large font, small pages, diagrams galore, lots of glamour and glitz, but short of real meat. I am disappointed.  Sad
  

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Reply #6 - 01/01/09 at 10:28:08
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2005 black repertoire is ok, but white one i horrible!
I hope they can update  white repertoire too!
  

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Reply #5 - 12/31/08 at 15:31:57
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Hi.

A little more information picked from the chess shop at the Jeremy Silman site

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This is the second, updated and fully revised edition of Chess Openings for Black, Explained. This new edition incorporates literally hundreds of changes, reflecting all relevant opening novelties and the author's ongoing research in the three and a half years since the publication of the first edition. The vast majority of the recommendations in the 2005 edition fully stood the test of time. The few that didn't have been improved or replaced in this 2009 work. What's more, we give you a number of interesting alternatives not discussed in earlier editions.

Here are just some major examples: In the Accelerated Dragon, we make some important corrections regarding the move 7. f3 (p.61). also, after 9. 0-0 (p. 64), we discuss White's recent successes in the 9... d6 10. Ndb5 line--and two promising alternatives for Black to 9... d6. In 'Defending against 4. Qxd4" (p. 110), we introduce a new, more promising line for black. We fine-tune a number of our recommendations against the Maroczy Bind. we take note of White's improvements in the Alapin (p. 223)-- and ways to counter it. We discuss how to play after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 against rare (but tricky) third moves, such as 3. g3 and 3. a3. And there are many more updates.
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http://www.classicalgames.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=00...

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Adding coverage of 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 is good as that was missing in the suggested repertoire.

No specific info mentioned about the Bogo-indian though.


  
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Reply #4 - 12/24/08 at 11:48:29
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Hi,
when will this book be available in Europe?
Thanks in advance!
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Can anyone post how many changes they really did? Black repertoire is quite good, but white one was VERY BAD! So I'm interested in updated white edition also..
  

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Hi,
when will this book be available in Europe?
Thanks in advance!
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I haven't been able to find any information about this book on the Net; can you provide a link with more information about the book?

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According to the author's (sic): "This new edition incorporates literally hundreds of changes." On the other hand: "The vast majority of the recommendations in the 2005 edition fully stood the test of time."

However, I must say I was fairly pleased with the first edition and will seriously consider getting the second (from what I can gather, the Black repertoire is much better than their White version, although I do not have the latter so cannot give a personal opinion).
  
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After mixed reviews, I never bothered to buy the first edition. But there is a new and presumably improved second edition out now. I am thinking of getting primarily  for the  the coverage of the Bogo and to a lesser extent, the Nimzo.

Anyone with the new edition care to share any thoughts?
  

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