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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #24 - 02/03/11 at 15:39:31
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1. Najdorf/Sveshnikov & Marshall/Petroff.
2. Scandinavian, Benko Gambit.
  

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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #23 - 02/02/11 at 18:45:09
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Another possibility after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cd Nxd5 4. e4 Nf6 is 5. e5 Nd5 6. Bc4, transposing to a major line of the QGA (thus also better than Black deserves).
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #22 - 02/02/11 at 18:23:27
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8arms wrote on 02/02/11 at 18:09:14:
kylemeister wrote on 02/02/11 at 17:48:02:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6 is indeed standardly considered inferior (for example it could transpose to 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cd Nxd5 5. e4 Nb6?!), but doesn't have much to do with the actual Gruenfeld.

I'm pretty sure 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. e4 (then knight moves) is the reason why the above move order is suspect - others can correct me if I'm wrong on this.


Actually 4.Nf3 is considered stronger.  4.e4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5! is O.K. for Black; so is 5.Bd3 e5!.  After 4.Nf3 Black has problems after 4...Bf5 5.Qb3 and also after 4...Bg4 5.Ne5.  After anything else, White plays e2-e4 and Black lacks the counterplay he had against 4.e4.
  

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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #21 - 02/02/11 at 18:09:14
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kylemeister wrote on 02/02/11 at 17:48:02:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6 is indeed standardly considered inferior (for example it could transpose to 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cd Nxd5 5. e4 Nb6?!), but doesn't have much to do with the actual Gruenfeld.

I'm pretty sure 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. e4 (then knight moves) is the reason why the above move order is suspect - others can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #20 - 02/02/11 at 17:48:02
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1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6 is indeed standardly considered inferior (for example it could transpose to 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cd Nxd5 5. e4 Nb6?!), but doesn't have much to do with the actual Gruenfeld.
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #19 - 02/02/11 at 17:22:52
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Markovich wrote on 01/12/09 at 03:38:48:
Definitely not Alekhine's.  This is only for people who play chess in a very inverted fashion and don't mind memorizing reams of theory in preparation for losing.  Likewise the Gruenfeld.

Why do you think the Gruenfeld is so bad?  When I was asking about a black repertoire a little while ago, it was strongly recommended.  Was I being set up to lose if I took the suggestion?  Oops, hadn't made it to the sarcasm post.  Perhaps you were recommending it?  One reason I did not select it when looking for a d4 repertoire I did not like the look of 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nf6.  It seems that white can really cramp the position.

drkodos wrote on 01/12/09 at 16:47:26:
At this point, it causes me headaches just to hear the words Alekhine's Defense, no matter how the pronunciation may be butchered or customized.

It almost seems too funny to ask in a text based forum what the correct pronunciation is!
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #18 - 01/31/11 at 14:43:45
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The history of me finding pet defences

The Leningrad Dutch and Modern Benoni were two defences I wasn't keen on playing against, so I finally decided to take up the latter one.
Now I am fascinated how active Black can be and how little mistake by White is enough to turn the tables. Playing it is a very good way of training calculation. And one can always choose to play 3..Bb4+ (Bogo-Indian) at the last moment (2.c4 e6 3.Nf3) when he is afraid of the opponent's theoretical preparation or superior tactical abilities.

I realized that in unbalanced positions it was more likely that I outplayed many opponents who had drawn/defeated me in defences where I kind of suffered inside because of not having any kind of early initiative. It was strange, because I was said to be a cautious player of the positional kind and I believed that. But many of my games had been won on tactics, when in well built-up positions the active pieces found their targets. 
I missed active Black defences that I was familiar enough, that's why my results had been considerably better as White...

I had been playing the Caro-Kann and the Slav Main Line and my intention was to have an extra defence against all the four most common 1st-moves by White. 
I wanted to find something more active. I was hesitating between 
* the French + Stonewall (with familiar center-pawn structures surviving throughout most of my games) combo and 
* the more subtle/elastic Sicilian Kan + Nimzo-Indian (Modern Benoni/Bogo-Indian) + English Hedgehog combo.

Eventually I excluded the French because for playing "simple chess" I already had the C-K in my repertoire, which is of a similar character and the Exchange Variation is always available for White... So my choice fell on the Sicilian Kan, where I don't accept clear positional weaknesses, still giving White plenty of room to commit errors. 
And striving for early impact on the game I found the Nimzo + (MB/BID) better suited for my style than the Stonewall.

So, among my choices are now one combination of defences in which I can play a little passive/simple chess, 
* Caro-Kann + Slav + 1.c4 c6 + 1.Nf3 d5 ( all of a similar character, not involving serious positional concessions (weak squares/pieces), therefore could be played more intuitively )
and a more active/complex one, which includes 
* the Sicilian Kan + NID (complemented with the MB/BID) + English Hedgehog with the "1..Nf6 2..c5" move-order ( each is complex, and apart from the MB, can be of a similar character ) 
and I am contented.  Cheesy
  

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*B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6| 1Nf3:c5
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #17 - 01/16/09 at 07:00:07
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Bonsai wrote on 01/16/09 at 00:15:01:
1. Nimzo & Sicilian
2. a6 Slav & Qa5 Scandinavian


There is the center counter variation that is almost like the for knox variation, the Qd8 followed by Bg4 and Bxg3
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #16 - 01/16/09 at 01:20:49
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1. Semi-Slav, Main Slav / Najdorf, Sveshnikov, Petroff
2. Benkö, Modern Defence, Hippo
  

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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #15 - 01/16/09 at 00:15:01
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1. Nimzo & Sicilian
2. a6 Slav & Qa5 Scandinavian
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #14 - 01/15/09 at 12:00:14
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I would say French Fort Cnox is the easiest to learn. And my personal choice for openings with black against 1.d4 are NID/QID and against 1.e4 - French (but not Fort Cnox) and Classical Sicilian.
It depends on your style and your playing strenght what openings to chose. If you are novice, then go for open games.
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #13 - 01/15/09 at 11:40:16
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TopNotch wrote on 01/10/09 at 03:11:42:
Conehead wrote on 01/10/09 at 02:55:43:
Black vs 1.d4 and 1.e4
1. What black defence gives white the most head aches?
2. What black defence is the easiest to learn
thanks in advance - Conehead


1.Kings Indian and Dragon
2.Kings Indian and Dragon.

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Really?!  Shocked

for me its
1. Pirc/Modern complex and/or French def
2.  N/A just depends on what you are more comfortable with.   
  
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #12 - 01/14/09 at 20:33:45
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Conehead wrote on 01/10/09 at 02:55:43:
Black vs 1.d4 and 1.e4
1. What black defence gives white the most head aches?
2. What black defence is the easiest to learn
thanks in advance - Conehead

1. It depends from your style, but I'd say Pirc/Alekhine and Dutch/Benoni/KID
2. There is no easy defense to learn. Each has its own dark side, its own trics and its own problems. You must try and see in which you feel the most comfortable. It will be then easier to learn/understand
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #11 - 01/14/09 at 04:10:20
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The easiest opening to learn as Black is 1.e4 f6 2.d4 g5    You will never need another opening.  The benefit of this is that you can play it against either 1.e4 or 1.d4!



I don't know the playing strengths of you or your opponents, but the most fundamental and challenging opening to play as Black against 1.e4 is probably the Ruy Lopez (with or without the Marshall, which is considered to be a fancy way to get a draw at the very highest levels according to Bareev and Kramnik).

Against 1.d4 (and not taking into account any move transpositions), I don't think the Nimzo-QID should give White as many headaches as the Semi-Slav if you play it aggressively.  The great thing about the Semi-Slav is that with the major exception of the Botvinnik Variation, Black gets quite a bit of say in what style of game will be played.  Perhaps this is why it is so popular
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Re: couple questions on black's defences
Reply #10 - 01/12/09 at 16:47:26
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Markovich wrote on 01/12/09 at 16:03:36:
Alias wrote on 01/12/09 at 11:39:03:
Markovich wrote on 01/12/09 at 03:38:48:
Definitely not Alekhine's.  This is only for people who play chess in a very inverted fashion and don't mind memorizing reams of theory in preparation for losing.  Likewise the Gruenfeld.


The Alekhine is easy to learn and can be played with a minimum of theoretical knowledge. The opening does, however, not cause white headaches.


Thanks.  I see that I will have to be more obvious when I attempt ironic humor -- I play these defenses, you see.

But seriously, while I suppose I agree that Alekhine's "can be played" with a modicum if not a minimum of theoretical knowledge, I think that if someone wants to be well-prepared there's actually quite a bit of Alekhine theory that he needs to know.  One of the main problems for Black is that in many lines, White has a vast range of alternatives.  

Also I would like to think that Alekhine's is capable of causing White headaches, at least at the board.



You should have been so lucky to play me.   

When I played e4 I used to get pummeled by the Alekhine.  So much, in fact, I felt I needed to start playing this headache-inducing opening. So, I started playing it. 

Only to get pummeled from the B(?)lack side as well. 

At this point, it causes me headaches just to hear the words Alekhine's Defense, no matter how the pronunciation may be butchered or customized.
  

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