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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #9 - 01/11/09 at 23:35:24
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As an aside about the usefulness of CTS:

I am a USCF NM, and use CTS frequently before tournaments to sharpen my tactical eye. However, as has been noted, one of the problems with it is you cannot possibly calculate everything instantly (although one should definitely try). I don't see this as a big deal, though, if one uses CTS in conjunction with, say, a combinational book like "Perfect Your Chess," or Reinfeld's books (Or chesstempo). CTS is not just about improving your online blitz rating, it's about developing a "feel" for combinations. I am reminded about Kasparov explaining to a young student how he correctly found a combination 5-10 moves deep almost instantly. Garry replied, "Instinct." That's what I think CTS is helpful for developing.

On the flip side, I am not sure how good CTS would be for people new to, or weak in, tactics. I think one must already have a firm grasp of many tactical patterns.
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #8 - 01/11/09 at 23:19:36
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swingdoc wrote on 01/11/09 at 23:04:13:
Hi analyze,

I personally have a big problem with the Chess Tactics Server. Insisting that you "solve" the problem in 3 or 10 seconds is kinda silly and not very useful for improving actual chess ability.

Absolutely agreed. 
I suggest you try ChessTempo.com! It has greatly improved my tactical vision, and that's especially easy to see when I play blitz. Will take some time to see if it improved my standard play too...
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #7 - 01/11/09 at 23:13:57
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Wow, you claim to have been 1600+ on CTS in less then few months of learning chess.
According to the rating distribution on that site hat means that you were better then approximately 75% of active tacticians on that website. And in less then few months!
Sorry, I find that very hard to believe, unless you are a genius, of course.
Btw, chesstempo.com is much better then CTS, it actually allows you to calculate some lines, no need to play by pure instict as in CTS which takes away your points way too fast if you don't move super fast.
I am in top 10% of all active people on both sites, but prefer chesstempo much more. And it also has option of standard time control, enabling you to think through the problem thouroughly as you would have in a real game. So it has separate ratings for blitz (finind tactics fast) and standard (solving correctly as many).
Blitz is much more forgiving and it still allows caluclating few lines before making a move, while on CTS one has to rely on first instict most often.
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #6 - 01/11/09 at 23:12:01
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swingdoc wrote on 01/11/09 at 23:04:13:
Hi analyze,

I personally have a big problem with the Chess Tactics Server. Insisting that you "solve" the problem in 3 or 10 seconds is kinda silly and not very useful for improving actual chess ability. I've used it and I've used CT-ART, Reinfeld's books, other tactics books, etc. Fully solving a chess tactic while visualizing all the key lines is hugely useful in improving your ability to spot tactics and calculate. That just doesn't happen for me when I only allow myself 3 seconds.

However, since your goal is a certain rating on CTS and not achieving a certain chess strength, I'd recommend going back and doing really simple tactics over and over as fast as you can. This should help you pick out the possibility for tactics quite quickly and hopefully alert you to what might be the solution.


Swingdoc, thanks for your answer. My goal is CTS related but prior to this I did some research with friends of master streangth (online and offline) and their CTS streangth all vary between 1800 upwards. So my reasoning is simply that if I ever reach this streangth I can rest assured that I'm not bad at tactics at least.

What was you're own rating on CTS btw when you used to do it. In case it was a long time ago perhaps you could try it now and tell us if you have improved and in that case what you have been doing outside CTS that we ought to know about.
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #5 - 01/11/09 at 23:06:55
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I don't know if you have read it or if you are currently reading it. It teaches tactics in a completely different way from what you are used to. It talks about things called tactical points(TP's) and strategic points (SP). Personally I thought it was interesting to look at things in another way but I'm not sure how much it really helped me.

The idea though is very simple. Any tactics consists of two TP's and one SP. TP's are tactical motifs, weaknesses... things like that. While an SP is a square by which you may attack two TP's at once. Only problem is that things are not this easy.... Take the above example which I posted. I doubt you would start thinking about these sort of things, especially if you only have 3 sec to make a move.
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #4 - 01/11/09 at 23:04:13
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Hi analyze,

I personally have a big problem with the Chess Tactics Server. Insisting that you "solve" the problem in 3 or 10 seconds is kinda silly and not very useful for improving actual chess ability. I've used it and I've used CT-ART, Reinfeld's books, other tactics books, etc. Fully solving a chess tactic while visualizing all the key lines is hugely useful in improving your ability to spot tactics and calculate. That just doesn't happen for me when I only allow myself 3 seconds.

However, since your goal is a certain rating on CTS and not achieving a certain chess strength, I'd recommend going back and doing really simple tactics over and over as fast as you can. This should help you pick out the possibility for tactics quite quickly and hopefully alert you to what might be the solution.
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #3 - 01/11/09 at 22:10:31
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Greetings,

It's good that you have Weteschnik's book.

How did you find it, in terms of helpfulness? What difference did it make to how good you are at finding/seeing tactical possibilities? How much has it improved your tactical ability?

Nunn's book, apart from teaching the elements of tactics (pin, fork, etc) shows you how to assess the position tactically - as against positionally. He shows you how to look for tactical weaknesses in positions, and how to look for ways to take advantage of those.

As he is a GM and a tactical "monster", it is one of the best books available for teaching tactics and how to find tactical possibilities in a position.

Also, the problems in his book range from beginner-easy up to very challenging!

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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #2 - 01/11/09 at 21:43:36
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My rating on CTS is around 1600. While it was easy for me to improve to this level (within less than a few months from learning chess), I have been stuck on this level for long over a year. My goal has always been 1700 with 80% success rate. This is my absolute minimum requirement. Actually, I would feel fully satisfied with my tactics at 1850.

The thing is, I know that doing more puzzles on CTS is not going to help me improve. I need to take drastic and original methods if this is going to work.

I'm hoping for some success story from someone else who has already achieved the goals I want to achieve.

I have already read Martin Weteschnicks book. How is John Nunns book different from other tactics books that you have read? Do you think it might be somehting for me at my level?
  
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Re: Question about tactics
Reply #1 - 01/11/09 at 21:27:18
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Greetings,

analyzethat
Could you give us an idea of your level? Rating?

Although pattern-recognition - practicing until the patterns jump out at you - is a necessity to improve, one must first of all be able to identify weaknesses which could be taken advantage by you. One must also be inventive.

Nunn's Learn Chess Tactics would be useful - Weteschnik's Understanding Chess Tactics might also be useful.

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
  
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Question about tactics
01/11/09 at 20:08:38
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Hi everyone, my first post here on these forums. I'd like to make my first post a question.

I practice sometimes my tactics on something called CTS (chess.emrald.net) and many times I get the following type of tactic.

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In this combination it requires you to first spot the mating idea and then figure out which move to start with. The only thing is that on CTS you only have 3 sec and after that your score goes down and after 10 sec it becomes a minus score instead.

Here I spotted the mating idea and played 1.Bxf7 only that the king can escape checkmate by going to f1. Therefore 1.Rd1+ is the winning move. It's not that I didn't see the idea so this should be a problem of technique rather than anything else. I should be able to fix this quite easily.

Can someone give me some tips on how to come over this bad habit. Does anyone else share the same problem as me and have you overcome it? I would really appreciate your help.
  
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