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Re: What is the worst chess book ever ?
Reply #40 - 02/21/09 at 13:12:22
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I quite like DVDs though the content i s far less than a book and they are pricey you do actually get to go through all the material, and while I keep the books for reference with a DVD once I've watched them a couple of times I feel comfortable in selling them secondhand on Ebay/Amazon.

I agree they could do a bit more rehearsal or editing sometimes.
  
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Reply #39 - 02/20/09 at 19:36:15
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The thing to know about Mueller's endgame DVDs is that they are following the same structure, and have the same sort of aim, as his book Fundamental Chess Endings, which is a reference work, and not a tutorial.  So he starts out with easy endings, not because he is trying to bring a beginner up through the ranks (like Silman's recent book does), but because those are the fundamental endings on which the more complicated ones are built.

So the rook endings DVD does start out with simple positions, but pretty soon you get to ones that GMs have gotten wrong in practice, and by the end my head was spinning (though I am only 1800).
  
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Reply #38 - 02/20/09 at 17:35:09
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Speaking of DVDs, does anyone have Mueller's endgame ones?  If so, do you have a sense of what level they are aimed at?  I was thinking of maybe getting the one on rook endings, but am worried it might be a bit too basic.

  
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Reply #37 - 02/20/09 at 16:15:16
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Price is my big complaint about chess DVDs but having started to buy some, I'm somewhat hooked. I particularly liked Tiviakov's on The Maroczy (but not so much his one on the c3 Sicilian) and Nigel Davies's on the Zukertort Colle and Accelerated Dragon. Currently going through Ari Ziegler's French, which seems good. I don't actually play most of these openings but I find the presentations inspiring. Of course if the end result is that my repertoire becomes even wider and shallower, I'll know whom to blame (myself!).
  
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Reply #36 - 02/20/09 at 06:41:40
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drkodos wrote on 02/20/09 at 05:53:39:
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Agree 100%.  For several reasons among which are:


Neurological studies have shown that actually moving the pieces helps burn the engram much faster than just looking at it being moved on a screen.

In addition, the price points are absurd and should not be supported. Most chess DVD include very little data compared to a book and are roughly 1.2 to 2X the price.  

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All very good points, but there's something nice about a very low energy introduction to chess ideas. It might not always be convenient to have a chess set with you, but a laptop and one of the better dvd's are great for commutes or an introduction to an opening that you are unsure of. Admittedly the price makes these excellent casual uses more problematic.
  
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Reply #35 - 02/20/09 at 05:53:39
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Agree 100%.  For several reasons among which are:


Neurological studies have shown that actually moving the pieces helps burn the engram much faster than just looking at it being moved on a screen.

In addition, the price points are absurd and should not be supported. Most chess DVD include very little data compared to a book and are roughly 1.2 to 2X the price.   

Middle Class Patzer Follywood Productions.
  

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Reply #34 - 02/20/09 at 04:31:36
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Norwood's book on Anand which came out around 95 was really poor and superficial,  mostly just rambling from Norwood.

Schillers Book on the Stonewall Dutch, Garbage just a database dump no explanation whatsoever.
  
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Reply #33 - 02/20/09 at 03:16:35
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Well, even Schiller wrote at least one decent (and maybe even good) book: the 1983 one on the Catalan.
  

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Reply #32 - 02/19/09 at 20:14:41
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Chess is no TV Show.

That's a bit excessive, there are some very good ones (depending on what you are looking for). The endgame series is nice if you want to improve your endgames, the Aagaard NID/QID repetoire series is good, the Andy Martin Czech Benoni one is good and at least some of King's Powerplay series is nice. Of course you could question whether you get enough value for money given that the contents are of course less than what you would get with a book or one of the "old-fashioned" Chessbase opening CDs. On the other hand the good ones are a bit like a series of lectures by strong players, which is of course beneficial. I find that in the Shirov and Kazim DVDs that I have seen the presentation was quite dry and unengaging (a problem you never have with Andy Martin, but in exchange on some of his works his analysis is just too light, maybe the target audience is much weaker than me, or it's just trying to get something out quickly).

In fact some of the old opening CDs (without multimedia) were very poor lacking explanations, structure, organzation or any sort of guidance (even the content wise very, very good CD by Marin on the Catalan suffered somewhat by the organsiation of the material).

Coming back to books, I just looked at my bookshelf and discovered "Flank Openings" by Ray Keene and "How to Play the Caro-Kann defense" by Ray Keene and Shaun Taulbut, two books that I think are very bad and did not help me, at all. On the other hand next to that (just ot be fair to Keene), there's "The English Defence ...e6, ...b6, ...Bb7" by Keene, Plaskett and Tisdall, which is a really good book with a lot of useful analysis, interesting ideas, which I keep checking when someone has proposed yet another supposed refutation of the English Defence.
  
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Reply #31 - 02/18/09 at 22:20:42
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Avoid em all.
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TimS wrote on 02/18/09 at 12:45:49:

Are you referring to any particular DVDs? Nice to know which ones to avoid as my (limited) experience to date has been rather the opposite.

  
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Reply #30 - 02/18/09 at 12:45:49
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winawer77 wrote on 02/18/09 at 11:56:58:
I agree that Schiller is an easy target. Considering the much higher standard of books published today I doubt that a Schiller book (or any Chess Digest publication) would ever be published by Everyman, Gambit or QualityChess.

Not just limiting the discussion to books, I think that some of the ChessBase Fritztrainer DVDs are pretty poor. The whole concept is good, but the overall production values are poor. You get the impression that each chapter is shot in just the one take, regardless of whether it went well or not.

Also, its the actual analysis that really gets me - in many cases its very sloppy work. When you next watch one, remember to add the 'Add Analysis Engine' feature and compare the author's recommendations against those of Fritz. Its obvious that an engine has not been used. In many cases I get the impression that it is almost made up on the spot.

Are you referring to any particular DVDs? Nice to know which ones to avoid as my (limited) experience to date has been rather the opposite.
  
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Re: What is the worst chess book ever ?
Reply #29 - 02/18/09 at 11:56:58
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I agree that Schiller is an easy target. Considering the much higher standard of books published today I doubt that a Schiller book (or any Chess Digest publication) would ever be published by Everyman, Gambit or QualityChess.

Not just limiting the discussion to books, I think that some of the ChessBase Fritztrainer DVDs are pretty poor. The whole concept is good, but the overall production values are poor. You get the impression that each chapter is shot in just the one take, regardless of whether it went well or not.

Also, its the actual analysis that really gets me - in many cases its very sloppy work. When you next watch one, remember to add the 'Add Analysis Engine' feature and compare the author's recommendations against those of Fritz. Its obvious that an engine has not been used. In many cases I get the impression that it is almost made up on the spot.
  
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Re: What is the worst chess book ever ?
Reply #28 - 02/18/09 at 02:50:38
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kylemeister wrote on 02/17/09 at 19:02:58:
I seem to recall a story involving Benko punching Fischer, or something like that.  I suppose someone here will know what I am thinking of.



see here:  http://www.chesscafe.com/text/fishben.txt
  
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Reply #27 - 02/17/09 at 20:51:36
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Given enough time they will all be worthless.
  
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I seem to recall a story involving Benko punching Fischer, or something like that.  I suppose someone here will know what I am thinking of.
  
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