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Reply #9 - 04/20/09 at 02:03:44
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Perhaps someone meant to honour this guy

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Ludwig_Hektor_von_Isolani

If it stems from Italian it should be isolano.
To me, being Dutch, the word sounds too much like quack-Latin (potjeslatijn).
  

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Reply #8 - 04/19/09 at 23:15:45
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jsmith09 wrote on 04/18/09 at 00:07:35:
It's been recommended to me to adopt a repertoire featuring a common motif, such as that of the Isolated Queen's Pawn.

If I were to form a repertoire around the isolani pawn formation, what openings would that include?

Which of those openings (Black and White) would go well together?

And, since I'm a relative beginner, can I find tactical/Open Game openings in this area?

Thanks for any feedback.


In his interesting book book "Story of a Chessplayer", GM Jaan Ehlvest described how he was taught to play IQP positions as a junior, and he wrote:

"This is the kind of position where you cannot get help from FRITZ. To play these positions well you must study in depth such games as those in the aforementioned match between Karpov and Korchnoi as well as those in another famous match between Spassky and Petrosian in 1969, where Spassky played the Tarrasch defense. The Russian-American GM Anatoly Lein is also a big specialist in how to handle the isolated pawn. It is not easy to handle – this is why Karpov and Kasparov often avoided these kinds of positions throughout their careers. On the other hand it is true that these positions are for lazy boys. You are not in danger ever as long as you know the general rules of handling them. In the 1974 match, Korchnoi drew all his games against Karpov in the French, and immediately lost two crucial games when he tried to surprise Karpov with another opening."

Shereshevsky gives similar advice in his book "The Soviet Chess Conveyor", recommending 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5 for Black.

I find that amateurs who have learnt just a little positional theory are often very wary of giving themselves an IQP, yet it is good to get to grips with IQP positions fairly early on, to gain experience with this important structure and to learn the pros and cons.

Nevertheless, I see little point in constructing a whole repertoire around as many IQP lines as possible - this extreme measure would be self-limiting, missing out on other important position-types.

PS Let's agree to call it the IQP. The word "isolani" is a linguistic monstrosity.
  
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Reply #7 - 04/19/09 at 22:36:27
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and French.
  

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Reply #6 - 04/19/09 at 18:11:13
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2.c3 sic, exchange with c4 against both caro-kann,
  

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Reply #5 - 04/18/09 at 04:13:49
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by the way who recommened playing the isoloni?  And you can also play the Fianchetto but this may be too high level play right now!  You can play Avruhk's book master repertoire 1.d4 and buy both editions and then play Grunfeld vs 1.d4 and Alekine or scandanivian to get fianchetto positions.  The book to study then would be Zoom 001.  Oh by the way get baburin's book Pawn structures.  Its all about isoloni!
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Re: IQP Openings
Reply #4 - 04/18/09 at 04:09:08
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Hi there,
You can't ALWAYS get an isoloni.  But you will get it most of the time this way:
Play 1.e4!
vs French play 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.ed ed 4. c4 which usually leads to isoloni
vs carokahn play Panov Botvinick 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.ed cd 4.c4
vs d6/g6 play the "150 attack" sharp positions most of the time
vs sicilian either play Open (as most would recommend here and me as well) or play 2.c3 
vs d5 or scandanavian you play early c4
vs 1.e5 play the 4 knights scotch variation or what is recommened by mnb

Now vs 1.d4 as black
Play the tarrasch defence and buy Meeting 1.d4 
vs 1.e4 buy meeting 1.e4 
You will get isoloni positions most of the time!!!
While you can't get it all the time you are still playing good open games which most would recommend doing.   
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Reply #3 - 04/18/09 at 02:52:52
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As for Open Games, a few possibilities that come to mind are

Petroff:  3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. d4 d5 6. Bd3 Be7 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. c4 Nf6 9. Nc3 0-0 10. h3 Nb4 11. Be2 dc and some other similar lines e.g. with 8. Re1

Göring Gambit declined with ...d5

Giuoco Piano, old main line 

Ponziani, some lines with 3...d5

Ruy:  3...g6 4. 0-0 Bg7 5. c3 Nge7 6. d4 ed 7. ed d5 8. ed Nxd5 etc.
  
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Re: IQP Openings
Reply #2 - 04/18/09 at 02:31:24
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jsmith09 wrote on 04/18/09 at 00:07:35:

If I were to form a repertoire around the isolani pawn formation, what openings would that include?


Do you want to play with or against the IQP? In the first case the Tarrasch Defence is your best bet. In the second case I would say the NID (Karpov-system) and Semi-Tarrasch (3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c5). If you want both I would say the Tarrasch Defence combined with all kind of 1.d4 d5 stuff, like S_X mentioned.
But I would strongly suggest to avoid onesidedness and combine these openings with quite different ones. Why always try to get the same kind of positions? Chesslife is too short for that.
  

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Re: IQP Openings
Reply #1 - 04/18/09 at 01:57:56
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I would suggest "Winning Chess Middlegames" by Sokolov to be a good place to start looking. The title is a little strange, as the book focuses on common pawn structures (like the IQP, and hanging pawns). Sokolov also gives a general outline of many openings...very useful for getting acquainted with a new opening system.

The only possible hitch might be, that some of it may be hard to grasp for someone just starting chess. My general thought is Sokolov is writing for an audience with an established rating from around 1800 to 2400. However, I think if you play through the games and carefully read the verbal explanations, you'll soon get a "feel" for the positions...which is good enough to start.  Smiley

Some openings that can (not always) see IQP positions arise, are: Tarrasch Defense, Queen's Gambit Accepted, Panov-Botvinnik Attack in the Caro-kann, 2.c3 Sicilian, Nimzo-Indian, Tarrasch vs French Defense, many Queen's Gambit Declined variations, etc.

Hope that helps some.  Smiley
  
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04/18/09 at 00:07:35
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It's been recommended to me to adopt a repertoire featuring a common motif, such as that of the Isolated Queen's Pawn.

If I were to form a repertoire around the isolani pawn formation, what openings would that include?

Which of those openings (Black and White) would go well together?

And, since I'm a relative beginner, can I find tactical/Open Game openings in this area?

Thanks for any feedback.
  
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