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Re: Drasko Winawer
Reply #4 - 05/04/09 at 21:11:34
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The initial moves for this thread might be found in the following Drasko game:

[Event "10th EICC"]
[Site "Budva MNE"]
[Date "2009.03.08"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Caruana, F."]
[Black "Drasko, M."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C18"]
[WhiteElo "2646"]
[BlackElo "2533"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2009.03.06"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2009.03.09"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 Ne7 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 c5 7. Qg4 O-O 8. Bd3 f5 9. exf6 Rxf6 10. Bg5 Rf7 11. Qh5 g6 12. Qd1 Nbc6 13. Nf3 Qf8 14. O-O c4 15. Be2 h6 16. Bc1 Qg7 17. h3 Bd7 18. a4 Rd8 19. Ba3 Bc8 20. Qd2 Kh7 21. Rae1 Nf5 22. Bd1 Rc7 23. Ne5 Nxe5 24. Rxe5 Rc6 25. Bg4 Ra6 26. Bc1 Rxa4 27. Bxf5 gxf5 28. Kh2 Rg8 29. Rg1 Ra1 30. g4 Qf6 31. Rg3 Qg5 32. gxf5 Qxd2 33. Bxd2 Rxg3 34. Kxg3 exf5 35. Rxd5 Ra2 36. Rd8 Rxc2 37. Be3 f4+ 38. Kxf4 Bxh3 39. Rb8 b6 40. Rb7+ Kg6 41. Rxa7 Rxc3 42. Ra6 Rb3 43. d5 c3 44. Rxb6+ 1/2-1/2

Somehow, this thread seems to me to be a continuation of that one: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1236899091
  
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Re: Drasko Winawer
Reply #3 - 05/04/09 at 20:14:41
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I wonder if the initial moves could be supplied for those of us who don't know what this is about.
  

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Re: Drasko Winawer
Reply #2 - 05/04/09 at 11:06:44
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You are welcome.  Smiley  I am only "guest"...nobody's perfect.

I will try to post about PP variation quickly (before update May) ... I did not before because....no good line for Black  Cool...to be honest, because last sunday I finished work about  KIA 

My hugge work is to build reference games list about systems I like as Black (for example: b6+h6 lines in KIA) and to build CTG tree.

About PP maybe you can add some words in the update about Bronstein dxc3!? (delaying Nc6, and if White plays Qxc3 instead of Nxc3, Black has play along the c-file) or give life again to Na6 (analyzed on chesspub updates). 

For d4 move, I have some lines recorded...but as Khalifman advices a quick Ne2, I have not analyzed so much.
  

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Re: Drasko Winawer
Reply #1 - 05/01/09 at 11:08:34
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dom wrote on 04/28/09 at 11:21:38:
I looked a little last update ... from kgwm.

Good work  Cool

I would lile to know kgwm point of view about the line:

16.Bc1 Bd7 17.a4 Rd8 18.Qd2 Kh7 19.Ba3 Bc8 20.Bd1 Qg7 21.Re1 Rdf8 22.Bd6 b6 23.Rb1 Qf6 24.Ne5

I put in bold key moves: 
- Qd2 is to lead Black for a specific line (protect h6 with king)
- Bd1 is a 3-moves trick with Re1-Re2 to protect f2 square and prepare Ne5 in good conditions

I don't know if White can win but ending position is += and somewhat passive for Black

Another plan for White is not given by kgwm but has been commented in one O.Renet paper (I don't remember: Europe Echecs ?):

16.Bc1 Bd7 17.Ne1!?      Ponomariov-Ivanchuk,Linares 2002 (O.Renet)

and what's about the 16.Bd2 (instead of Bc1)...I know off-topic for the update (plan is a4 and Ba3-Bd6 for a e5 control):


16.Bd2 Bd7 17.Ne1 Qg7 18.f4 Nf5 19.g3 Nd6 20.Ng2 Kh8 21.Ne3 Raf8 22.Bf3 Henrichs-Wempe,Hoogevens 2005





Right, I'll look at this a little for the next update. I believe Neil has analyzed Ponomariov-Ivanchuk so you might want to check out the Archives for his comments. Thanks for the comments Smiley

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C18: Drasko Winawer
04/28/09 at 11:21:38
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I looked a little last update ... from kgwm.

Good work  Cool

I would lile to know kgwm point of view about the line:

16.Bc1 Bd7 17.a4 Rd8 18.Qd2 Kh7 19.Ba3 Bc8 20.Bd1 Qg7 21.Re1 Rdf8 22.Bd6 b6 23.Rb1 Qf6 24.Ne5

I put in bold key moves: 
- Qd2 is to lead Black for a specific line (protect h6 with king)
- Bd1 is a 3-moves trick with Re1-Re2 to protect f2 square and prepare Ne5 in good conditions

I don't know if White can win but ending position is += and somewhat passive for Black

Another plan for White is not given by kgwm but has been commented in one O.Renet paper (I don't remember: Europe Echecs ?):

16.Bc1 Bd7 17.Ne1!?      Ponomariov-Ivanchuk,Linares 2002 (O.Renet)

and what's about the 16.Bd2 (instead of Bc1)...I know off-topic for the update (plan is a4 and Ba3-Bd6 for a e5 control):


16.Bd2 Bd7 17.Ne1 Qg7 18.f4 Nf5 19.g3 Nd6 20.Ng2 Kh8 21.Ne3 Raf8 22.Bf3 Henrichs-Wempe,Hoogevens 2005


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