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Meat Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 184 Joined: 06/27/06	Re: Botvinnik setup as black against Flank openings Reply #4 - 05/12/09 at 13:46:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	moahunter wrote on 05/10/09 at 15:18:22: I So, while this is a nice easy way for black to play (IMO), it is not a complete solution against c4 (not that anything else is either). KID is a good approach against c4 though - I think if I was a KID player, I would play 1.c4, 1.g6, aiming for a KID, but perhaps keeping an option like this Botvinnik open by not playing Nf6 too soon, in case white does not push d4. That's precisely what I do lately. 1. c4 g6 has the advantage that I don't have to worry about a transposition to the Pirc. If white plays d4 I'll just go back to the KID, but if he omit it I can get into a Botvinnik setup. The one thing I'm not so sure about is the best move order and what difference it makes whether blacks knight is on e7 or f6. Sure, e7 is the normal square, but sometimes it ends up on f6 and that seems to work as well.


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moahunter Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 59 Joined: 05/10/09	Re: Botvinnik setup as black against Flank openings Reply #3 - 05/10/09 at 15:18:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think its a terrific video, that gives a very good and well explained overview. I think this is a good way for black to play, and will serve well against many English players. But, a lot of English players don't like this position for white, and won't allow black to enter into a Botvinnik setup (e.g. play Nf3 and d4 instead). That seems to be the approach of many top GM's - e.g. Karpov. So, while this is a nice easy way for black to play (IMO), it is not a complete solution against c4 (not that anything else is either). KID is a good approach against c4 though - I think if I was a KID player, I would play 1.c4, 1.g6, aiming for a KID, but perhaps keeping an option like this Botvinnik open by not playing Nf6 too soon, in case white does not push d4.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Botvinnik setup as black against Flank openings Reply #2 - 05/08/09 at 23:58:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	Schroeder wrote on 05/08/09 at 22:12:07: There is a video lesson by IM Luis Coelho, who explains the ideas in the symmetrical English with the black pawn triangle c5-d6-e5. http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?t=928 Sufficient detail or as wishy-washy as his brother Paolo Coelho, who penned the self-help tripe The Alchemist?


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Schroeder Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 89 Location: Hamburg Joined: 03/28/08 Gender:	Re: Botvinnik setup as black against Flank openings Reply #1 - 05/08/09 at 22:12:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is a video lesson by IM Luis Coelho, who explains the ideas in the symmetrical English with the black pawn triangle c5-d6-e5. http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?t=928


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Holbox Senior Member Offline Saigón Café Posts: 369 Joined: 02/08/05	Botvinnik setup as black against Flank openings 04/28/09 at 11:31:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	Let's say I play the KID against 1.d4 but I don't like to play the reversed closed sicilian against 1.c4. I'm trying the BS against any kind of flank opening..., but what to do when white plays it himself. Should I play in simetrical fashion? Or should I try to control d4 without moving my e pawn up the board? I mean Ne8-c7-e6-d4.

	"Ladran, luego cabalgamos", NN
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