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Re: Open challenge to Uruk 6..c6
Reply #5 - 05/13/09 at 12:13:44
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Because a game against you isn't the best way to forward theory.

The point of a forum is that we have a hundred eyes,
and a hundred eyes see more than four.

So there's no point in restricting to one-on-one.
Contributions should be welcome.
  
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Re: Open challenge to Uruk 6..c6
Reply #4 - 05/12/09 at 20:03:02
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What's wrong with playing a game here between ArKhein and Uruk?
I think it is perfectly fine. As for me challenging people to play me on ICC, let me say that I proposed longer time controls than Game/5. Only a couple of times were the challenges accepted.

Finally, it would be interesting to see how the game develops between ArKhein and Uruk. Markovich, you said it should be chess, correct? Well, a challenge to play a public chess game is chess. Personally, I do not think it is fair to delete such posts.
  
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Re: Open challenge to Uruk 6..c6
Reply #3 - 05/12/09 at 17:54:08
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Markovich's post is a perfect answer to MNb's last comment:

when I said one game cannot change evaluation,
I was thinking along the same lines that more often than not,
challenges like these explore too deep and not wide enough,
thus failing to give a clear picture of the line.

Of course, some games can have theoretical importance
(for example if a new plan is introduced).

Here I think ArkheiN sincerely wants to explore
this line further and that "his motives are pure".

But in view of the above comments (mine & Markovich's)
I'm willing to transform this into an analytical discussion,
where we can trial & error, improve etc.
More friendly maybe, more useful for sure.

So when I see a move for White I'll say so
but for the moment I don't see anything attractive,
for example against 12...g6

Any contributors jump to the bandwagon.
  
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Re: Open challenge to Uruk 6..c6
Reply #2 - 05/12/09 at 17:32:26
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I don't want to impose what might not be a widely accepted norm by deleting this thread, but frankly, this challenge bothers me.  What does it have to do with chess opening theory?  This isn't a chess playing website.  Why issue a challenge publicly when a private one would do just as well?  There is a lot of bravado in it, and to me, it seems not entirely friendly.  It reminds me the everlasting challenges to play speed chess on ICC that Gambit so liberally substitutes for argumentation.

On a friendly basis, Arkhein and I are playing a pair of games, one as White, one as Black, in the 9.Nxa7+ Schliemann on an informal cc site; and some time ago we played a "public" cc game here in BDG 5...Bf5 (which I lost).  I regard this sort of thing as helpful toward learning how to play given variations, but not very constructive toward determining "chess truth."  I have not, for instance, changed my opinion that 5...Bf5 is strong against the BDG.  Since it doesn't say much about the strength of given variations, I am doubtful that it has a value here that would offset my concerns about its being unduly confrontational.
  

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Re: Open challenge to Uruk 6..c6
Reply #1 - 05/12/09 at 16:16:04
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You might even go a little further - Uruk already has proposed 12...g6. I am curious if he wants to put his general knowledge on chess in practice. At the other hand he already has created an escape route - one game cannot turnover his evaluation of 5...Bf5.
  

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Open challenge to Uruk 6..c6
05/12/09 at 12:33:02
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1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bf5 6.Ne5 c6 7.g4 Be6 8.g5 Nd5 9.Ne4 You previously agreed that you would play like this as Black, now let's show that in practice. My last move is 9.Ne4 and I am challenging you in a game as Shoupal-Bonsai.
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