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Re: The World's ... Grandmaster?
Reply #36 - 05/28/09 at 13:20:15
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 05/18/09 at 07:37:11:
On the strongest players who weren't grandmasters, I suspect some of the 'greats' of the 19th century and earlier were not as the concept 'grandmaster' was bestowed in some Russian tournament by the Tsar(any historians out there to be more accurate). 

Isn't Jonathan Mestel worth a mention with his distinction of being a grandmaster at chess and bridge ?

St Petersburg, 1914 - but see: Grandmaster section in Wikipedia (can't post link here - for some reason, when you click on the link it claims the article doesn't exist)
  
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Reply #35 - 05/28/09 at 10:39:25
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Thank you.  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #34 - 05/26/09 at 17:24:30
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Actually not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Jones_(Philidor)
  
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Reply #33 - 05/26/09 at 16:07:38
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Well the last track is by Tom Jones  Cool
  
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Reply #32 - 05/26/09 at 10:02:09
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MNb wrote on 05/26/09 at 03:23:26:

I have heard both Salieri and Philidor; the latter a long time ago and well .... Westerinen is also a GM, isn't he? But OK, if you don't believe me, visit the nearest record shop with a section on classical music. If you find a CD entirely devoted to the music of Philidor in the racks I will buy it for you. That's a bet I would not make on Salieri. Neither I would advise you to make that bet on Ustvolskaya.


Don't know if this CD is to be found in many record stores, but at least it exists:

http://www.naxosdirect.com/title/8.557593-94

I do agree with your point though; by the help of youtube I've just listened to Philidor for the first time in my life. I know a lot more about Salieri.
  
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Reply #31 - 05/26/09 at 09:25:27
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Uruk wrote on 05/26/09 at 00:34:00:
I think he was more like referring to Britney Spears there.  Roll Eyes

More to the B's in Abba or Andrew Lloyd Webber, but yeah Britney is good enough for the point.
  
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Reply #30 - 05/26/09 at 03:23:26
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Göran wrote on 05/25/09 at 23:04:42:

He was a composer.


He has been female her entire life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galina_Ustvolskaya

I have heard both Salieri and Philidor; the latter a long time ago and well .... Westerinen is also a GM, isn't he? But OK, if you don't believe me, visit the nearest record shop with a section on classical music. If you find a CD entirely devoted to the music of Philidor in the racks I will buy it for you. That's a bet I would not make on Salieri. Neither I would advise you to make that bet on Ustvolskaya.

Does Britney Spears compose music or play chess? I always have thought she is too busy forgetting her underwear.
  
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Reply #29 - 05/26/09 at 00:34:00
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Well I've heard some Salieri and he's great.

Philidor I haven't, but they say Vivaldi was rediscovered
in the 20th century and hardly played before that.

MNb wrote on 05/24/09 at 11:20:23:
Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 22:16:15:

Let's say Philidor was a better composer than what we currently see in modern music Wink

Nope. I prefer the music of Ustvolskaja 8 days a week and she died only a few years ago.


I think he was more like referring to Britney Spears there.  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: The World's ... Grandmaster?
Reply #28 - 05/25/09 at 23:04:42
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Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 22:16:15:
MNb wrote on 05/23/09 at 21:54:20:
Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 11:42:44:

Philidor was a great composer

Philidor was a composer.

Let's say he was a better composer than what we currently see in modern music Wink


He was a composer.
  
What kind of proof is that?
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Reply #27 - 05/25/09 at 21:37:07
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MNb wrote on 05/24/09 at 11:20:23:
Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 22:16:15:

Let's say Philidor was a better composer than what we currently see in modern music Wink

Nope. I prefer the music of Ustvolskaja 8 days a week and she died only a few years ago. The fact is that Philidor, contemporary of Mozart and Haydn, is hardly played anymore. In fact I doubt if anyone on this site has heard a composition of his.

Neither will anyone heard one of Salieri, still not a bad composer. Iirc at least in his time Philidor certainly wasnt a nobody in his time, though success in the arts in your lifetime isnt a measure for recognition when your dead.

PS who the hell is Ustvolskaja? Wink
  
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Reply #26 - 05/24/09 at 11:20:23
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Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 22:16:15:

Let's say Philidor was a better composer than what we currently see in modern music Wink

Nope. I prefer the music of Ustvolskaja 8 days a week and she died only a few years ago. The fact is that Philidor, contemporary of Mozart and Haydn, is hardly played anymore. In fact I doubt if anyone on this site has heard a composition of his.
  
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Reply #25 - 05/23/09 at 22:21:36
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Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 22:15:34:
Girkassa wrote on 05/23/09 at 21:12:37:
I remember a discussion (on ICC, I think) about people who have played on a national team both at chess and at football. It turned out Agdestein was not the only one, but I don't remember the other guys. So there are several candidates for that title.

Bear in mind though that it is rather easier to be in the national team of Andorra than that of Norway.


True. But IIRC, one of them was Italian.
  
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Reply #24 - 05/23/09 at 22:16:15
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MNb wrote on 05/23/09 at 21:54:20:
Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 11:42:44:

Philidor was a great composer

Philidor was a composer.

Let's say he was a better composer than what we currently see in modern music Wink
  
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Reply #23 - 05/23/09 at 22:15:34
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Girkassa wrote on 05/23/09 at 21:12:37:
I remember a discussion (on ICC, I think) about people who have played on a national team both at chess and at football. It turned out Agdestein was not the only one, but I don't remember the other guys. So there are several candidates for that title.

Bear in mind though that it is rather easier to be in the national team of Andorra than that of Norway.
  
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Reply #22 - 05/23/09 at 21:54:20
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Willempie wrote on 05/23/09 at 11:42:44:

Philidor was a great composer

Philidor was a composer.
  
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