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Re: correspondence game recording.
Reply #8 - 05/30/09 at 01:22:34
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MilenPetrov wrote on 05/28/09 at 20:50:20:
Chess is a struggle between two persons........ But in corr ches i would prefer the server to do this for me (here this is pure technical works) . But as u know cor chess and OTB chess has almost nthing in common. So there are another rules.


The chess servers at ICCF and IECG make correspondence games much better to play.

1) when a tournament starts all your games are automatically set up. There is no more setting up manual systems or email addresses. 

2) there are no more problems of mail going astray or confusion with emails.

3) there are no more problems with getting the position wrong.

4) there are no more problems with time recording 

5) the results of games are automatically recorded and games are stored on a central database which can be downloaded

6) I suspect that the jobs of tournament administrators are much easier.
  

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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #7 - 05/29/09 at 23:56:41
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MilenPetrov makes an argument that I first heard when chess clocks could show what move it was, obviating the memorable games in which grandmasters would blitz out as many as ten extra moves while their opponents hid their scoresheets in attempts to score the point. (Oh yeah, that part may be considered unsporting now.)

While I like the good old days, it may be time to move on.  If computers can do the secretarial work of the chess player, and do it equally for both players, then that will give the players more time to think about their moves in these ever increasing time controls.

The scoresheets technically belong to the tournament director/arbiter anyway, so if s/he wants to get the moves electronically, the player doesn't really have much say.  It would be nice to have perfect scoresheets and have the players worry about the style of their moves instead of their handwriting.
  
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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #6 - 05/28/09 at 20:50:20
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Chess is a struggle between two persons. And in addition to pure OTB factors there are also outside the board factors like clock management, scoresheets, behaviour, etc.
So I think that we should keep these factors in the game. Otherwise we will not have a great games with some time troubles, emotional and political problems etc.
But in corr ches i would prefer the server to do this for me (here this is pure technical works) . But as u know cor chess and OTB chess has almost nthing in common. So there are another rules.
So if we keep to a minimum the electronic in OTB chess we will be more happy with the game.
OK, let's the oard records all the moves - after the game u will be ab;e to check the records of both players (whish is of help to chess arbiters).
  
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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #5 - 05/28/09 at 13:14:42
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Matemax wrote on 05/28/09 at 04:37:13:
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Want to resign or offer a draw?  Push the appropriate pad on your board (or perhaps, on your clock).  To accept a draw, of course, you push the "accept draw" pad.

I prefer to look into the eyes of my opponent and resign/accept draw with shaking hands.


I myself prefer rather the reverse of that!  But of course, nothing will prevent such courtesies.  Just be sure to push the pad.
  

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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #4 - 05/28/09 at 04:37:13
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Want to resign or offer a draw?  Push the appropriate pad on your board (or perhaps, on your clock).  To accept a draw, of course, you push the "accept draw" pad.

I prefer to look into the eyes of my opponent and resign/accept draw with shaking hands.
  
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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #3 - 05/27/09 at 21:42:32
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I'm surprised that this hasn't happened already. Most of the games I play nowadays are already relayed direct to the Internet on electronic boards, why do we still need to use a clock or write the moves down? Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #2 - 05/27/09 at 18:36:44
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If chess endures, I predict that the future will see sensitive boards, and connected clocks, that will signal the moves and times to a wireless game recorder.  Players will not be required to keep score, since the central recorder will keep it for them.  There will also be no need to push the clock, which will switch over as soon as the move is played.  An illegal move on any board of the event will immediately and automatically be called to the attention of TD.  Players won't even have to announce mate or stalemate, since the appearance of either condition on the board instantly determines a game of chess, and the game recorder will know about it.  Likewise time forfeits. And there will be no need to argue which came first, the move or the fall of the flag.

Want to resign or offer a draw?  Push the appropriate pad on your board (or perhaps, on your clock).  To accept a draw, of course, you push the "accept draw" pad. 

The game results thus obtained will feed directly into the pairings algorithm, so that in Swiss events, there will be no pairings delays while results are entered.
  

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Re: Monroi Device
Reply #1 - 05/27/09 at 18:01:58
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As I am aware u can look at it as much time as u want, but there is something:
During the tournament if Monroi is used for recording the moves u can not see the board. U can only select pieces and fields on the screen. So no additional board. 
And in FIDE rules it is clearly stated that during the game u can not use another sources, etc... In this case the additional board is considered as external help Smiley
The only exception is for blind players where there are two boards on the table.
Frankly speaking I would prefer to stick to the old method of writing the moves with pen and scoresheet. It is less disturbing i think than to look at some small screen and to lose your concentration on the board and game.
  
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Monroi Device
05/26/09 at 21:41:47
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I searched the forums for a topic on Monroi, but found nothing, so I'm posting here.  I'd never spend the bucks for this thing when a good 'ole pad and pen will do (but people can spend their hard-earned money any way they want to), but I'm wondering if anyone thinks it gives any sort of advantage to the user who can, for at least a few seconds, view a smaller, two-dimensional board when inputting the moves.  I know that I often see spatial relationships better on a smaller board (especially long horizontal or diagonal moves) that don't standout quite as apparently on a 3-D tournament size board, but I use the computer for much of my training. Does anyone think it might be helpful to have the "additional" board?  Also, I'm not quite sure of what the rules are (USCF or FIDE) with regard to how much time the user can spend looking at the Monroi screen, does anyone know?
  
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