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Re: Dutch defense - Bg5
Reply #6 - 06/21/09 at 08:33:55
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This line is covered briefly in the new Stonewall book (Sverre Johnsen, Ivar Bern). I won't give their analysis in detail, but they like 5...Nc6 (which was my first choice as well, before I saw the book), and give 5...c6 and 5...Nf6 as also playable. In the Asanov-Savon game they query 8...Kf8 and prefer 8...Bxd4.

I will post a couple of comments on the book in the appropriate thread, but I definitely recommend it.
  
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Re: Dutch defense - Bg5
Reply #5 - 06/19/09 at 01:07:00
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Interesting line from Deep Rybka 3 64bit  5...c6 6.Bxg8 Qa5 (d5 also is interesting). Looks to me like white will be punished by the two bishops in this variation. Personally, I dont think this Bc4 can be much trouble for black.

  
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Re: Dutch defense - Bg5
Reply #4 - 06/06/09 at 09:37:02
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The diagrammed position seems to be lacking a certain, je ne sais quoi.  Perhaps a Knight on g1?


A friend and I analysed a different variation:

1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 g6?! 3.e4! fe4 4.f3 Bg7 and white gets a very playable version of the Staunton as was played in the theoretically important game, Danielian-Rublevsky (1991). Black probably does better with 4...d5


The game continuation given here can also be played via a Staunton move order, but I don't see why white would play Nc3 first if 3.e4 really is good for White.

Regarding 5.Bc4, it may actually be a slower attack than the more traditional f3, and Eric has already pointed out a potential tactical reason why we rarely see the B go directly to c4.  It may be stronger on d3 anyway.
  
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Re: Dutch defense - Bg5
Reply #3 - 06/01/09 at 12:07:26
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5...Nh6 smells funny to me.  I would sooner play 5...Nf6, which I can't believe is a bad move.  But looking at the position, is 5...Nc6 viable?  To me it looks pretty good.
  

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Re: Dutch defense - Bg5
Reply #2 - 06/01/09 at 00:13:27
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After 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 dxe4 5.Bc4 Nh6, I too like Black but I think after 6.Nge2 (or maybe 6.h4 or 6.f3) 6...c6, that White should try 7.d5!? and retain some compensation.

After writing the above I messed around with this gambit on Rybka.  The gambit seems more dangerous than I initially thought.  First of all 5...Nf6 might actually be best and there's also 5...Nc6 which could be tried but I'm not too sure about it.  After 5...Nh6 6.f3!? exf3 (probably 6...e3 is best) 7.Nxf3 c6 8.0-0 d5 9.Re1 is very dangerous despite the fact White is down a lot of material.
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Re: Dutch defense - Bg5
Reply #1 - 05/31/09 at 17:08:28
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Well, without any serious analysis, the first thing that comes to my mind is 5...Nh6, intending to play ...c6 on the next move (When White can't play Bxg8).

5...Nh6 6.Nge2 c6! looks better for Black to me.
5...Nh6 6.Bxh6 Bxh6 and again I like Black.

White has a problem in these lines: Nxe4 can be met by ...d7-d5, forking the Knight and Bishop.
  
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Dutch defense - Bg5
05/30/09 at 21:35:43
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Yesterday, in a rapid game my oppponent plaid this with white:
1.d4-f5 2.Bg5-g6 3.Nc3-Bg7 4.e4-fe4 5.Bc4!?
http://chessup.net/php/pictureParser.phpfen=rnbqk1nr/ppppp1bp/6p1/6B1/2BPp3/2N5/...;
It seems this move is nearly never plaid: I just found one game (Asanov-Savon, St-Petersburg, 1994 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1331976) where black continued with Nf6 and lost in 21 moves.
I plaid c6 but after Bxg8, my position was quite difficult and I eventually lost after blundering a bishop some moves later.
What do you think of this move and what would you recommend to black?
  

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