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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #10 - 06/02/09 at 02:43:17
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Markovich wrote on 06/02/09 at 01:16:21:
GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/01/09 at 21:16:09:
BPaulsen wrote on 06/01/09 at 19:51:08:
The Fianchetto is =,

Really? Please tell me how Black equalizes and I will play the KID myself as Black! Smiley


Yeah, I wondered about that myself.  

But BPaulsen, without meaning to be argumentative, I would be happy to know what you think Black's equalizing idea is against Averbach's.  Since I play this line with las Blancas, I could prepare better if I knew what strong Blacks thought about it.


I've thought Radjabov's 6...Na6 is okay, as well as his other preference 6...c5 7. d5 a6.

Since you've probably done more work on this system than me, if you have lines leading to a white edge after both lines I'll gladly alter my statement.

Regarding the Fianchetto KID, I only view that as equal because black has an easy equalizer in a Grunfeld transposition. If black sticks to the KID I think white is better.

I'm not a strong black, I'm not strong, nor am I a KID advocate, I would love nothing more than a variation leading to a nice white plus.
  

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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #9 - 06/02/09 at 01:16:21
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/01/09 at 21:16:09:
BPaulsen wrote on 06/01/09 at 19:51:08:
The Fianchetto is =,

Really? Please tell me how Black equalizes and I will play the KID myself as Black! Smiley


Yeah, I wondered about that myself.  

But BPaulsen, without meaning to be argumentative, I would be happy to know what you think Black's equalizing idea is against Averbach's.  Since I play this line with las Blancas, I could prepare better if I knew what strong Blacks thought about it.
  

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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #8 - 06/01/09 at 21:18:06
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 06/01/09 at 21:16:09:
BPaulsen wrote on 06/01/09 at 19:51:08:
The Fianchetto is =,

Really? Please tell me how Black equalizes and I will play the KID myself as Black! Smiley


I only meant = because black can just turn it into an easy Grunfeld after g3 appears on the board.  Cheesy I would gladly play the g3 KID otherwise, but I know a number of players that only use the Grunfeld in case of g3.

What I thought, and what I typed are two different things.
  

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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #7 - 06/01/09 at 21:16:09
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BPaulsen wrote on 06/01/09 at 19:51:08:
The Fianchetto is =,

Really? Please tell me how Black equalizes and I will play the KID myself as Black! Smiley
  
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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #6 - 06/01/09 at 20:39:08
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If you are higher rated there must be some reason for it. I doubt that it is because he is such a killer in standard KID positions.

Btw since when are we going to adapt our openings because we are scared of weaker players? Wink
  

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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #5 - 06/01/09 at 19:51:08
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The reason you'd allow it is simple - winning chances.

The Averbach is =, the Fianchetto is =, the Gligoric is the only one you mentioned that might be += (even then I'm not totally sure of that lately). I'm not going to learn a bunch of new theory just to get an equal position against some club player.

The Bayonet attack doesn't even let black have his standard kingside attack fun, so putting that aside...

I've been a long-time player of 9. Ne1, and knowing the defensive themes for white makes life a lot easier. Even then white can play the early g4 variations.

The theory in the Mar Del Plata KID is easy to remember for both sides. I have a plus score against the KID in games against titled players (+3 -1 =1, most of the games against IM Rogelio Barcenilla), so why on Earth would I fear playing the same things I'm successful with against non-titled?
  

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Reply #4 - 06/01/09 at 17:08:02
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This discussion reminds me of a weird occurrence lately - it seems like every time I play 6. Bg5 in the Najdorf lately on ICC I get the Polugaevsky variation, to which I can never remember all the theory. Then 10 moves later I've screwed up the attack somehow and I'm losing!

You need a backup line in that case - eg 10.Qe2 - you avoid the theoretical main line but still get something to play for. The same in the KI - if not prepared to play Mar del Plata play something different...
  
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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #3 - 06/01/09 at 15:58:08
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I think you could go back and forth about this one all day, since both sides of this argument could conjure up wonderful hypotheticals favoring their side. One thing I will say is that sometimes I think people overestimate the "attacking advantage". What I mean by that is people think for some reason  it's always harder to defend than it is to attack. But when the pressure is on Black to time ...g4 right, or play the most precise moves to maintain an attack, it's not so easy. In a lot of positions it's easier to defend in my opinion, since you can quickly eliminate losing options and just play the best move you can find that doesn't lose. Anyway, if I was well versed in all of the Classical theory, having played it as Black quite a bit, I wouldn't hesitate to play it as White either, knowing that a couple of inaccuracies by a lower rated Black player could leave him attackless with his queenside in shambles. 

This discussion reminds me of a weird occurrence lately - it seems like every time I play 6. Bg5 in the Najdorf lately on ICC I get the Polugaevsky variation, to which I can never remember all the theory. Then 10 moves later I've screwed up the attack somehow and I'm losing!
  
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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #2 - 06/01/09 at 13:23:50
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I agree with Markovich's hypothesis "Never let the weaker player have his standard kingside attack in the King's Indian, but instead make him play a fluid game of chess", but my opinion is that a similar argument could be made for the lower-rated player as White, provided that he is well prepared for the Mar del Plata or an alternate kingside-hack variation. 

Black's attack is quite dangerous, but if the attack doesn't checkmate White, then White will usually win, and the resultant complications provide the lower-rated player with a greater chance of achieving a 'lucky' win if neither player is entirely sure of what is occuring on the board. 

Against lower-rated players, I usually meet the King's Indian with the Samisch, Classical (with a Bayonet) or the Fianchetto Variation, with very good results because my opponents usually don't achieve their usual kingside counterplay. 

Alternatively, Markovich's hypothesis also applies to the Four Pawns Attack, where one mistake by Black will often lead to an immediate defeat, but a mistake by White will only lead to an inferior position. In other words, openings such as the Four Pawns Attack for White and the Mar Del Plata for Black have a high 'caltrop coefficient', to quote the 'opening traps at the club level' thread.
  

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Re: The Markovich Doctine
Reply #1 - 06/01/09 at 13:02:28
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It's an interesting idea but i would counter that you do need a decent idea v KID otherwise black just has a good game. Some lines of the mel de plata white chucks his pawns forward f3 and g4. Much of the Bayonet avoids your dreaded automatic attack. If we took your argument and applied it to other openings, there would be no Yugoslav attack v dragon. 

I think that your advice is sound though notwithstanding the above and have used it myself. I'd also suggest that the FPA and Samisch are pretty reasonable tries .

  
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The Markovich Doctine
06/01/09 at 12:28:27
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All right, dear chessfriends, I am now going to promulgate the Markovich Doctrine:  Never let the weaker player have his standard kingside attack in the King's Indian, but instead make him play a fluid game of chess.  In particular never let him have the Mar del Plata variation or anything that resembles it.

Why on earth would you gamble with your king against someone that you'll very likely outplay in an ordinary game of chess?  Why would you offer him the chance to concentrate, to the exclusion of all else, on devising ways to blast open your castled position?  So play the Gligoric, the Fianchetto, or the Averbach and take away his chances, along with his fun.  

  

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