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Poll Question: What Political Topics Should We Allow
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Chess    
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Sports, Geography, Food    
  10 (15.6%)
As long as it's not hate speech    
  13 (20.3%)
Elections    
  4 (6.2%)
News events    
  6 (9.4%)
Climate and World-wide Issues    
  6 (9.4%)
War and Peace    
  4 (6.2%)
Anything    
  7 (10.9%)
Others (please explain)    
  1 (1.6%)




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I pray that your nephew is okay and healthy.
  
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I made several small edits to some previous tells.

I did not remove the discussion about the provenance of opening names.  While it is not politics per se, it is not inappropriate.

I may split these comments into a separate thread for ease of access.

I also did not remove comments about what should or should not be moderated, nor did I delete confrontations inviting people to play each other.

Please let me know privately if there is offensive material or if I made edits that do not scan.


If you disagree with my edits, I will respond to either private or public messages in kind.

Thank you for your feedback!
  
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Reply #57 - 07/04/09 at 02:23:52
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Markovich wrote on 07/04/09 at 00:55:09:
Where the frig is the moderation on this thread???


Please excuse my temporary absence.  My two-week old nephew had surgery yesterday and I was out of town.  I will make some serious edits to the comments that clearly stepped beyond the pale.

In the future, please message me if you think a thread has inappropriate content.

Thanks all!
  
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Where the frig is the moderation on this thread???
  

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Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 06:31:26:
Well, I just found out on Internet that Samuel Leigh Stadelman served in World War I, 1917-1918. He would have been 36 (born 19 Nov. 1881)
at the time.  According to a 1942 draft card, he also served in World War II, despite being 61 years old at the time. However, in these days, everyone aged 18-65 were called to duty.

I would love to play you on ICC. What is your Internet Chess Club handle, Bibs? Just message me privately here.

My research also yields fascinating info about chess in pre-World War I and post WWI Pennsylvania.

What if the truth is what I suspect it is? That Stadelman merely analysed, not played, some variations of 3...Nge7 ?  



Please explain how this relates to Politics.
  

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Well, I just found out on Internet that Samuel Leigh Stadelman served in World War I, 1917-1918. He would have been 36 (born 19 Nov. 1881)
at the time.  According to a 1942 draft card, he also served in World War II, despite being 61 years old at the time. However, in these days, everyone aged 18-65 were called to duty.

I would love to play you on ICC. What is your Internet Chess Club handle, Bibs? Just message me privately here.

My research also yields fascinating info about chess in pre-World War I and post WWI Pennsylvania.

What if the truth is what I suspect it is? That Stadelman merely analysed, not played, some variations of 3...Nge7 ?   

  
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Reply #53 - 07/03/09 at 04:43:05
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Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 03:19:45:
Bibs wrote on 07/03/09 at 01:19:00:
Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 00:48:30:


MNb, you call me a toddler? Okay. Then you are still yet a newborn baby. Grin   I can play chess, baby, you can't.  Grin 

And how many times have I said that the Zilbermints Gambit is the name 3...Nge7 bears now?


So you should be consistent in answering my questions. I plagiarized nothing. How dare you suggest such a thing!! If you and I lived in the 19th century America, it would be a duel with pistols at dawn. Fortunately for you, 21st-century American society has no use for duels anymore. 



Point 1. Can you play Lev? Really? You have a low rating for someone who claims to 'play'. Particularly for someone who obsesses. Me - several hundred higher but still cannot really say I know much at all....

Point 2. You can say something till you are blue in the face. Does not make it so. 'I am eight foot tall, I am eight foot tall, I am eight foot tall...no? not there yet?...I am...'

Point 3. Comedy stuff from a 40something who projects the social presence of a early teen, is still no doubt single and presumably still living with his parents. Plenty of mouth hides no trousers in this keyboard swagger.

....
Anyhow, how is the research going into the life and times of Mr Stadelman?



Bibs, baby,

You know zip about my personal life, so please don't make assumptions, OK? Also, since you claim to be so much higher rated, how about you and me play a honest match on Internet Chess Club, G/60? Just you and me, no computer analysis or assistance?

Research into Stadelman is very slow. As I live live in New Jersey, I would have to travel to Pennsylvania to search the archives.



1. I don't claim to be higher rated. I am. There is a FIDE list. 

Perhaps in a FIDE rated tournament somewhere we can play. Sorry, but I have little interest in playing and beating one-dimensional duffers though, so would be happy not to. The additional pain of spending any free time I have sitting opposite a 'Gambit' I also find rather unappealing. 

2. I play only rarely online, but do so for fun on occasion on ICC.  5 or 15 mins. Happy to play anyone. If you beat me as you may do, well done. If you lose online blitz to me, equally it doesn't matter. Just blitz.
Why should a long game in the virtual company of you appeal? Disturbing notion. Prefer to  flagellate myself with a length of knotted rope.


3. Good luck with your research. Sure you can catch a bus. The truth is waiting....
  
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Re: Politics and the Chess Pub
Reply #52 - 07/03/09 at 03:19:45
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Bibs wrote on 07/03/09 at 01:19:00:
Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 00:48:30:


MNb, you call me a toddler? Okay. Then you are still yet a newborn baby. Grin   I can play chess, baby, you can't.  Grin 

And how many times have I said that the Zilbermints Gambit is the name 3...Nge7 bears now?


So you should be consistent in answering my questions. I plagiarized nothing. How dare you suggest such a thing!! If you and I lived in the 19th century America, it would be a duel with pistols at dawn. Fortunately for you, 21st-century American society has no use for duels anymore. 



Point 1. Can you play Lev? Really? You have a low rating for someone who claims to 'play'. Particularly for someone who obsesses. Me - several hundred higher but still cannot really say I know much at all....

Point 2. You can say something till you are blue in the face. Does not make it so. 'I am eight foot tall, I am eight foot tall, I am eight foot tall...no? not there yet?...I am...'

Point 3. Comedy stuff from a 40something who projects the social presence of a early teen, is still no doubt single and presumably still living with his parents. Plenty of mouth hides no trousers in this keyboard swagger.

....
Anyhow, how is the research going into the life and times of Mr Stadelman?



Bibs, baby,

You know zip about my personal life, so please don't make assumptions, OK? Also, since you claim to be so much higher rated, how about you and me play a honest match on Internet Chess Club, G/60? Just you and me, no computer analysis or assistance?

Research into Stadelman is very slow. As I live live in New Jersey, I would have to travel to Pennsylvania to search the archives.

  
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Re: Politics and the Chess Pub
Reply #51 - 07/03/09 at 02:10:58
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Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 00:48:30:
HTH,

There is a difference between doing some analyses and playing a bunch of games with it. My information shows it is just analyses. Absent some Stadelman games, I will not call 3...Nge7 anything else than the Zilbermints Gambit.

MNb, you call me a toddler? Okay. Then you are still yet a newborn baby. Grin   I can play chess, baby, you can't.  Grin 

SF, point taken. My apologies for being rather harsh, but some jokers here cannot take the truth if hits them in the face. If someone calls me names, I do that even better. You do not expect me to sit here and just do nothing while people call me names, do you?  Huh

I have tried being consistent here. How many times have I explained that not a single Stadelman game, to the best of my knowledge, exists with 3...Nge7? Many times! How many times have I said that before 1996 I had no idea who the guy was? Many times! And how many times have I said that the Zilbermints Gambit is the name 3...Nge7 bears now?

Why is it you never responded to my previous post that many openings have more than one name? Also, all these openings were analysed and played by known players. Games scores exist by Captain Kennedy, Ruth, Lean, Schliemann proving they played the openings named after them.

AGAIN: WHERE ARE STADELMAN'S GAMES with 3...Nge7 ? I have not seen any. Just an undated newspaper clipping from the Philadelphia Inquirer (presumably, for SLS belonged to a Philadelphia chess club). 

So you should be consistent in answering my questions. I plagiarized nothing. How dare you suggest such a thing!! If you and I lived in the 19th century America, it would be a duel with pistols at dawn. Fortunately for you, 21st-century American society has no use for duels anymore. Rather, I suggest you go and do research. Then come back and answer the questions I posed in a manner befitting an adult, not a baby.






This last post is horrendous. We get it already. However, if no one recognizes that you invented some crazy scheme, what are you going to do...TROLL US into believing? 

You don't see me go after your beliefs (I hope you're joking, and I just didn't get it) like Atlantis or reincarnation. 

Why do you have such an identity crisis? Does it really matter if anyone credits you or not?

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Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 00:48:30:


MNb, you call me a toddler? Okay. Then you are still yet a newborn baby. Grin   I can play chess, baby, you can't.  Grin 

And how many times have I said that the Zilbermints Gambit is the name 3...Nge7 bears now?


So you should be consistent in answering my questions. I plagiarized nothing. How dare you suggest such a thing!! If you and I lived in the 19th century America, it would be a duel with pistols at dawn. Fortunately for you, 21st-century American society has no use for duels anymore. 



Point 1. Can you play Lev? Really? You have a low rating for someone who claims to 'play'. Particularly for someone who obsesses. Me - several hundred higher but still cannot really say I know much at all....

Point 2. You can say something till you are blue in the face. Does not make it so. 'I am eight foot tall, I am eight foot tall, I am eight foot tall...no? not there yet?...I am...'

Point 3. Comedy stuff from a 40something who projects the social presence of a early teen, is still no doubt single and presumably still living with his parents. Plenty of mouth hides no trousers in this keyboard swagger.

....
Anyhow, how is the research going into the life and times of Mr Stadelman?
  
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HTH,


There is a difference between doing some analyses and playing a bunch of games with it. My information shows it is just analyses. Absent some Stadelman games, I will not call 3...Nge7 anything else than the Zilbermints Gambit.

MNb, you call me a toddler? Okay. Then you are still yet a newborn baby. Grin   

SF, point taken. My apologies for being rather harsh, but some jokers here cannot take the truth if hits them in the face. If someone calls me names, I do that even better. You do not expect me to sit here and just do nothing while people call me names, do you?  Huh

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Actually, that's exactly what I expect.  Please do not respond to attempts to provoke you by calling others names! ~SF


I have tried being consistent here. How many times have I explained that not a single Stadelman game, to the best of my knowledge, exists with 3...Nge7? Many times! How many times have I said that before 1996 I had no idea who the guy was? Many times! And how many times have I said that the Zilbermints Gambit is the name 3...Nge7 bears now?

Why is it you never responded to my previous post that many openings have more than one name? Also, all these openings were analysed and played by known players. Games scores exist by Captain Kennedy, Ruth, Lean, Schliemann proving they played the openings named after them.

AGAIN: WHERE ARE STADELMAN'S GAMES with 3...Nge7 ? I have not seen any. Just an undated newspaper clipping from the Philadelphia Inquirer (presumably, for SLS belonged to a Philadelphia chess club). 

So you should be consistent in answering my questions. I plagiarized nothing. How dare you suggest such a thing!! If you and I lived in the 19th century America, it would be a duel with pistols at dawn. Fortunately for you, 21st-century American society has no use for duels anymore. Rather, I suggest you go and do research. Then come back and answer the questions I posed in a manner befitting an adult, not a baby.




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Re: Politics and the Chess Pub
Reply #48 - 07/02/09 at 22:35:50
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/15/09 at 16:42:35:
There was recently a thread that started with an incendiary defense of Israel against Palestine.  

I made a comment that I would watch it carefully. After several members of the pub, the owner included, agreed that this isn't the place for such a discussion, I locked the thread.  

The chess pub is a world-wide forum with a great reputation for its chess content.  I will, in consultation with Tony and others, continue to allow political speech in the chit chat section.  But whenever such speech crosses some invisible boundary from partisan to inflammatory, I will not hesitate to end the thread.

Please use this thread to discuss the merits of allowing such discussions in the future.  

We have all participated in political discussions here and elsewhere.  I think it would be impossible and counterproductive to say we end all political speech.  But let's keep the chess pub a chess pub!


While it is fun to poke holes in Lev's rational behind his apending to chess openings, original or plagerized, I don't think any of it is germane to the topic of this thread. I think that now Lev has voided his long held position that he INVENTED the Stadleman Gambit, only discovering it independently, that what it is called is largely irrelevant and that we should all get back to the topic of the thread
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Maybe a poll on the whole naming business would be interesting?
  

I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: Politics and the Chess Pub
Reply #47 - 07/02/09 at 20:43:26
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Gambit wrote on 07/02/09 at 01:49:24:

For some stupid reason you persist in pretending that 3...Nge7 does not bear my name, though it has done so for 15 years.


Wrong. Frankly I don't give a !@#$.
For the rest - the provoker provoked.

I apologize to S_F for making his responsibility harder - I knew in advance LDZ would react like the toddler he is. If he was an adult his reaction would have been: inconistency so what? Who says name giving should be consisting? Not LDZ.

Gambit wrote on 07/02/09 at 01:49:24:

So go hide in whatever hole you came from, MNb. 
Insufferable little twerp.


Gambit wrote on 07/03/09 at 00:48:30:
You do not expect me to sit here and just do nothing while people call me names, do you?  Huh


Inconsistent as you are you expect others to sit there and just do nothing while you use abusive language.
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Reply #46 - 07/02/09 at 20:15:44
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Gambit wrote on 07/02/09 at 15:49:33:






Nudnik is a Russian word meaning "a boring guy who keeps the same thing over and over again." .... Besides, there is a name already: the Zilbermints Gambit! ....


Repeats and is...what's the definition again?

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